Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

[astarr]

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

In response to SoxFan01605

Honestly, I think the thing that is most irritating is simply that if this game had legitimate sliders, it would be playable. Granted it wouldn't fix everything, but it would answer the major issues that make this game unplayable as far as gameplay itself. I know that Franchise needs to be deeper (that is all that I play BTW).

In the past, it seemed that at least you could render the game playable via the sliders.

As far as being a careful consumer, I get what you are saying. However, when I was growing up we couldn't afford a computer, and I played football in a hallway w/ a brother 8 years older than I with an array of different sized boxes and an intricate yardage and scoring system. My point is when you have a passion for football, and the College and NFL season are in full bloom, you have $60 bucks set aside... I mean it's easier to say I shouldn't have than it is to say, ain't gonna buy it, I'm going to wait. That is why I can only say I hope that next year I got enough guts to avoid this forum until the prices drop. You always have people saying "This is the greatest, I'm having the time of my life."

Maybe we should elect a panel of 12 guys who are solid gamers and varied in the preference of gamer modes (franchise, online, etc.), let them buy the game (even if we all pitch in), play it for at least a month, and then listen to what they have to say. I don't know.

[TheWatcher]

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

I think its a combination of laziness and the old regime just simply not knowing how to appease their hardcore fanbase. I really question if they really knew what people like us were wanting.

And this is probably where the watershed moment lies for Madden 2010 because of the posts from Madden teamers itemizing specifically about the things we want.

We're all pretty convinced just remembering past years this gen, that there will be something catastrophically wrong with the game. This year it was CPU Sliders, the year before that it was... well... everything, lol. And so on.

But when you read a thread like the one Ian made about the "Top 25 must-have's" you get excited because he pretty much touches on everything we've been asking to get for probably a decade now. Question is, will these things make it into 2010 or not? That's all we care about. If they don't, here will be again asking what the heck happened?

I read Joborules presentation post. Jobo did a great job. If you look at my posts in the Wishlist thread, we're pretty much talking about the same concept. But to our discredit, lots of people have suggested the same or similar things. Every year this gen except for 08, I saw a Madden filled with flaws but still having some promise. If they just tweaked this or that, and made the presentation TV-quality we'd have that great game. Every year, they took another step backwards on that journey except for 09. Only problem with 09 is that the presentation felt like it was put together by folks who'd never been there before... like a team of inexperienced young players and rookies getting to the Super Bowl but then getting pummeled 55 to nothing...

... They can't claim rookie status with 2010.

[D16NJD16]

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

NFL 2K5 now going at 1 cent folks. Just sayin.

[NYBorn81]

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

How do I say this......


EA and tiburon is like that step child who feels they don't have to listen to their step parent because they are not the real parent, even though they still hold some kind of authority in they're household....


Example....we ask for a real representation of NFL football, we ask for presentation, and realistic elements in the gameplay....we are the sim/hardcore gamers....


EA's response: "Screw You, We Don't Have To Listen To You"



Because the casual gamer and the type of guys that go on madden nation is what brings EA their money....




Makes sense to a extent....but when you continue to put out crap year after year then something needs to change....and EA and tiburon are oblivious to that fact...


That's all I needed to say...now back to the 2k(NBA) boards I go...

[Vikes1]

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

I still think some people will be very disappointed by what the interaction brings us. Remember, we (and Ian admitted as much himself) are just one portion of the considerations they must make for 2010. While I do expect there to be significant changes based on our desires, I don't know just how significant they'll be. It's a very delicate balance.

Excellent points SoxFan.

I'll only speak for myself. I'll be much better served next August, to keep your statements above in mind. If I'm expecting Madden 2010 to made mainly with the internet community in mind ....I most likely will end up being bitterly disappointed. I fully expect Madden to continue to be developed with the "Masses" at the forefront. To expect otherwise, may be setting myself up for a letdown.

I believe Peter Moore's vision will continue to be followed well into the future...and that vision is to broaden Madden's fan base. And certainly not to focus on a very vocal minority. It's just my own opinion but...I honestly believe the best we can hope for is that Ian & Co may be able to get "Us" a slightly bigger piece of the pie.

[TheWatcher]

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

But here's my question to Peter Moore's desire.... what are they trying to make Madden into? Do they want it to resemble the accessibility of the Wii version? Doesn't sound like a good idea if that's the case because the Wii version has been a failure for years now.

You know what I see other casuals talking about in regards to Madden 09? I see stuff like "Wow the graphics are great!" in fact that's the number 1 thing I here. Just check Youtube. If the graphics are solid, the casuals will buy just because of that. The extra features thrown in are a plus for them, but

So they can throw a few silly things in like Rewind and still make a game that's more serious and realistic as long as the silly stuff is only optional and doesn't make a negative impact on the game.

[Tecahl]

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

Do they want it to resemble the accessibility of the Wii version? Doesn't sound like a good idea if that's the case because the Wii version has been a failure for years now.

The Wii version is actually better than the 360/PS3 versions have ever been, but whatever.

[timid]

Re: Madden update information

Yay!!.....we get to here more "maybe next year", or "at least their focusing on 2010".....Just like last year when they were "focusing on 2010".......Here's to everyone getting a half assed game next year and the sim crowd still losing out......

[countryboy]

Re: Madden update information

Yay!!.....we get to here more "maybe next year", or "at least their focusing on 2010".....Just like last year when they were "focusing on 2010".......Here's to everyone getting a half assed game next year and the sim crowd still losing out......

[TheWatcher]

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

The Wii version is actually better than the 360/PS3 versions have ever been, but whatever.

I wasn't talking about failure in terms of it being good or not. I was speaking to sales numbers.

But in my opinion, Madden on Wii is too silly. I need a serious football game. I don't want Madden on 360 to turn into that kind of game. And from EA's standpoint being of the bottom line, since the Wii version is continuing to fail in the market, it wouldn't be wise to try and bring any of that to 360/PS3 anyway.

[Vikes1]

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

But here's my question to Peter Moore's desire.... what are they trying to make Madden into?

Yep Watcher...it'll be interesting to see what the future holds for the Madden game.

I kind of wonder if Ian's vision is in conflict with Peter Moore's? I'm hoping a balance can be struck....in our favor.

[Herky]

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

Madden 2005 was a very good game, but it's gone downhill since. Why is that?

Don't get me started on next gen. NCAA was outstanding this year after the patch. Why can't Madden be? I remember the days of Madden usually being the better of the two games.

I don't want to flame, but this is pretty silly.

[mwjr]

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

I was in no way excusing the shortcomings of Madden with my response post to his.

I wasn't suggesting you did. I think we're on the same page:

Consumers' expectations must be managed. However, as consumers, we should be able to expect the basics in our video games, and right now, we're not getting those basics.

[mwjr]

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

Ah...the old, we will see what 2010 holds. That will be the true test. I can't wait till its 2020 and we are saying the same thing. We have been saying that line since the jump to next gen. What is that 4 or 5 years now? I could be off.

I really don't think waiting until 2010 is a big deal. As I mentioned a few pages back, it took them 4 iterations on the previous generation to finally get a masterpiece (i.e. Madden 2004). This next edition marks the 4th shot of Madden on the new gen. We'll have to see,

Two problems, however:
1. The early versions of Madden on the PS2 (Madden 2001-2003) were nowhere as bad, IMO, as these early versions are relative to the new technology.
2. There is no competition now, like there was back then.

[countryboy]

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

I wasn't suggesting you did. I think we're on the same page:

Consumers' expectations must be managed. However, as consumers, we should be able to expect the basics in our video games, and right now, we're not getting those basics.

we are definitely on the same page in that regard.