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  • SemperVictoria
    Pro
    • Jun 2004
    • 605

    #286
    Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

    Originally posted by spankdatazz22
    Next year it'll be interesting to see if the same people complaining are the ones most excited and willing to hop on the hype train soon as it kicks off. While it should be the hardcore demanding a quality football title it will likely be the so-called casuals that actually force change.

    Come on Spank--you know the answer to this.

    I'm sorry to say, but anyone who actually thinks Madden is going to significantly change (for the better) anytime soon-- is a fool. Sorry to sound so harsh, but that’s the reality of the situation.

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    • TheWatcher
      MVP
      • Oct 2008
      • 3408

      #287
      Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

      Originally posted by mwjr
      I really don't think waiting until 2010 is a big deal. As I mentioned a few pages back, it took them 4 iterations on the previous generation to finally get a masterpiece (i.e. Madden 2004). This next edition marks the 4th shot of Madden on the new gen.
      Actually, 2010 will mark software gen 5 (06, 07, 08, 09, 2010)

      To me the bigger question marks come when you consider that they've been developing Madden on 360 since 2004. The game hasn't gone up leaps and bounds even though they've been developing it for this long, and this year's game is only considered acceptable by consensus but that's about it. I know that people tend to focus on the demands of one dev cycle, but never consider that this game has been in development for 4+ years and yet still has a number of the same problems it had when it first started. Sure, one cycle is not much time, but 4 certainly is.

      The first 3 years 06 through 08 were just killed by really bad decisions and a misguided vision of what a football game should be. The decision for TV presentation to be ignored which happened in 06 07 and 08, will certainly go down in history as one of the EA's worst decisions. I'll always wonder how something so misguided could've been okayed. What were they thinking?

      I want to make one last point. While I'll agree that in some gens the 4th installment has usually showed the turning point whether it be from EA or 2K, there have been gens where football games were good (and some great) day one. I look at the first Tecmo Bowl. I look at the first NFL 2K. I look at the first Madden on PS1. The first NFL Gameday on PS1. The one thing you notice about all of those games is that they seemed to be guided by a really strong vision that made sense for its time. A lot of what they've done with Madden in this era have been the complete opposite.

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      • jmood88
        Sean Payton: Retribution
        • Jul 2003
        • 34639

        #288
        Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

        Originally posted by VikingFan4Ever
        Madden 2005 was a very good game, but it's gone downhill since. Why is that?

        Don't get me started on next gen. NCAA was outstanding this year after the patch. Why can't Madden be? I remember the days of Madden usually being the better of the two games.

        I don't want to flame, but this is pretty silly.
        NCAA is just a more arcadey version of Madden. It gets a pass because NCAA football has higher scores than the NFL but it's not an outstanding game.
        Originally posted by Blzer
        Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

        If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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        • erickonasis
          MVP
          • Jan 2006
          • 3016

          #289
          Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

          Didn't care anyways
          SLIDERS SUCK

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          • wookie48
            Banned
            • Apr 2007
            • 1842

            #290
            Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

            EA Madden = MLB2k series Both gay and ran by old unproductive developers.Too bad I cant get ahold of a file for nfl2k for ps2. Updated schedules and rosters.Thanks EA for nothin

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            • Segagendude
              Banned
              • Aug 2008
              • 7940

              #291
              Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

              Originally posted by wookie48
              EA Madden = MLB2k series Both gay and ran by old unproductive developers.Too bad I cant get ahold of a file for nfl2k for ps2. Updated schedules and rosters.Thanks EA for nothin
              They're here, man. Go to the NFL 2K5 section......

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              • Sauk
                Rookie
                • Jun 2008
                • 154

                #292
                Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

                I can't believe ANY of you actually believed they would do something like this for you lmao

                Your lucky to get 2 patches! EA has completely lost all respect from me and many of the people I know that play the game.

                It's time to take out the garbage
                What have you done for me lately!

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                • SweetButter
                  Rookie
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 37

                  #293
                  Re: Madden update information

                  Originally posted by edaddy
                  While I can see some people thinking it was a bait and switch I can't see people being duped..I mean cmon if people didn't research Madden before they bought it that's on them..By now everyone should know the EA cycle it's rinse and repeat..like clockwork..They (the reps) will be in here sporadically from Jan- May then in full force as the release date and Community days are near...They will tout old features like they are new explain why this is the best Madden to date (with the help of Community leaders) and then proceed to market their game..marketing will be oversaturated and we will all be intrigued and caught up in the hype until the actual game comes out(EA banks on this) and reality sets in..a patch or two will come out for glaring issues and then the cycle will repeat..While I hate to put it in simplistic terms that's basically it in a nutshell...Anyone who doesn't research or rent before they buy then complain really has no gripe...it's the EA way ..I howver do repect Ian and Phil for subjecting themselves to people but at the end they are in it to sell games and make money thats the bottom line.. and if adding in old features and calling them new as well as marginally improving game play each year helps them make money then so be it ..it is obviously working..lol ...DLC was never promised however they way to put it implied that it was almost a done deal, and I could see how people might be upset about this...
                  Bingo, you nailed it on the head.

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                  • SweetButter
                    Rookie
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 37

                    #294
                    Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

                    Having been on the marketing end of a software company in my past, I hate to say it but no matter how much work Ian wants to put into the game to make it GOOD, the suits that are in charge will pull rank and push him to make the game they (the suits) think will SELL.

                    And sadly, "features" like Backtrack, Madden IQ or maybe next year some nosense like an Add Bling to Your Player "feature" sells to the masses, not real football, good AI and great immersion.

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                    • jmood88
                      Sean Payton: Retribution
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 34639

                      #295
                      Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

                      It also sells to the "hardcore" judging by how so many people on here by the game every year. I just makes no sense to me. Just wait, next year everyone will be talking about how Madden is back just like they did this year, last year etc.
                      Originally posted by Blzer
                      Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

                      If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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                      • DickDalewood

                        #296
                        Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

                        Originally posted by jmood88
                        It also sells to the "hardcore" judging by how so many people on here buy the game every year. I just makes no sense to me. Just wait, next year everyone will be talking about how Madden is back just like they did this year, last year etc.
                        Haha, it's so obvious yet so few seem to want to admit it.

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                        • matt8204
                          MVP
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 1164

                          #297
                          Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

                          Originally posted by dickdalewood
                          Haha, it's so obvious yet so few seem to want to admit it.
                          I think it's because people love football (specifically the NFL) so much, they have a great desire to play the video game version of the sport. A lot of people buy it and put up with the flaws simply because it's better than nothing and there is no alternative right now.
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                          • Pared
                            Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 39337

                            #298
                            Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

                            Originally posted by jmood88
                            Just wait, next year everyone will be talking about how Madden is back just like they did this year, last year etc.
                            Technically they are right. Madden is back, eacn and every year!
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                            • jmood88
                              Sean Payton: Retribution
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 34639

                              #299
                              Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

                              Originally posted by matt8204
                              I think it's because people love football (specifically the NFL) so much, they have a great desire to play the video game version of the sport. A lot of people buy it and put up with the flaws simply because it's better than nothing and there is no alternative right now.
                              I love football as much as anyone but I'm not going to waste money on a game from a company that continually puts out a substandard product and then complain about how they trick me every year. At some point it's their own fault that they keep buying into the hype.
                              Originally posted by Blzer
                              Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

                              If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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                              • ELDoro
                                Pr*
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 798

                                #300
                                Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

                                I think I'm done with EA over all sports. Only game I like is NCAA Football. I liked Madden for online play but over time it didnt even feel like football.....more like who knew "Madden" ball. March Madness is horrible ...and no more College Hoops 2k....looks like I might have to pick up a ps3 and play the best sports game around. MLB The Show

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