NHL 09 Patch Released (360/PS3) -- Impressions here please

[RealmK]

Re: NHL 09 Patch Released (360/PS3) -- Impressions here please

The thing is that the game was way more realistic before this patch. One-timers and concentration around the crease is not realistic.

It actually feels like they tried to make NHL08 again with this patch. It´s mind boggling and a craptacular move.

And what´s up with the checking again? Post patch is crap VS online.

I score fine using other types of shots personally, could be your sliders, or the people you're chosing to play online against.

[Battman]

Re: NHL 09 Patch Released (360/PS3) -- Impressions here please

So true, they tried to fix the cheese, instead we have a game where the cheese is concentrated around the net (wrappers, spins and 5-hole etc)and the diversity is limited, everyone can see that quite fast online. And the aiming causes everyone to attack much closer to the crease, which makes 90% of all goals being weird close crease goals. Add to that that everyone can deke thru traffic most of the time and that one-timers are super easy again (ala 08), there you go a run and gun gameplay without need to set up plays or play sound positioning. Post patch is so dissapointing. I had a good game but now it just sucks, it feels like NHL08 with a small update.

It´s also insanely easy to deke like crazy thru traffic again, thanks alot EA , I didn´t pay for NHL08 1.01, the worst thing about 08 they fixed in NHL09, much better D, but now it´s rediculous.

Also the 08 defense is back with focus on hits. Since making stickwork less effective we now have crazy hitting on D as focus, not only does it look crap, it´s also friggin lame.

I say revert this patch, I can take any isssue I had with the old over this NHL08 look-a-like patch.

Oh, and for the record, I still haven´t lost, but damn, this game is so much less fun now. Talk about taking two steps back.

I second that.

Before the patch I played good online games. Ok, it seems I was lucky, that I never played against a cheeser.
But after installing the patch I had three awful matches.
It is so easy to breakthru an score on a One-on-One. Without much deke-ing. Just kate close to the goalie an move left. Bang! Goal! More than 50% of the goals were scored this way. Also, the goalie is stupid beyond imagination. I play Buffalo. And Ryan Miller is definitely one of the better goalies in the NHL. But you just have to pass two or three times across the field and he will fall down for an easy goal. If these passes were in the crease I would somewaht understand this goalie behavior, but not if the passes are somewhere in the middle of the offensive zone. It is just plain stupid.

An last but not least:

I normally play with a friend a 2player-game against the CPU or online.
After the patch the passing is crap. The passes reach wrong players (not the ones you aimed to), IF they even reach one of your players. There are far too many interceptions.
The One-Timers hardly work. If I pass to my buddy an d he tries to shoot, the chance of hitting the air is higher than hitting the puck.

As I play PS3 an XBOX 360, I can say that the cheesing problems seem to be dominantly PS3-related, the 2 player-problem on the other hand is predominantly a XBOX360 issue. But also the PS3-version has some issues with that.

I am very very disappointed an praying for a patch of the patch.

[tabulaRasa]

Re: NHL 09 Patch Released (360/PS3) -- Impressions here please

That´s exactly the problem, skating thru traffic is easy (and stickwork on D is lame now), and all "easy" scoring is based in the close crease area. We can all debate that "you can still scored varied bla bla" , sure, you can , but no way in hell as good and dynamic as before.

We also know that people online will go for better percentange shots, and along with the new awful aiming (come on, it´s way to extreme, I would go for half the change), you can bet your *** we will see overcrowded creases with unrealistic , traffic defying dekes being the new way to play online. Which by all means sucks like crazy.

Add to that the the goalies fumbles on so many shots close crease now that it hurts to see.

Another awful thing is that the new way to play D is so based around the check, the annoying bump. All this add to make a run and gun up and down (NHL08) gameplay.

I usually only play NHL games, but I bought Gears 2 now to have some fun, because NHL09 just became NHL08(way worse than original NHL09) post patch.

Here´s hoping for a new patch to fix the old patch.

All this is being said , these are issues VS games online. The Human mind will always find the exploits and cut corners better than AI, which also means that´s in the VS games online you will find the ultimate flaws, not in the offline games vs the cpu.

[Steven547]

Re: NHL 09 Patch Released (360/PS3) -- Impressions here please

Anyone getting any penalties called against you in this game? I see about 3 - 4 against the CPU and if i'm lucky, i'll get one called against me. Not that I want penalties, but it's not realistic if my guys are "gentleman" on the ice all the time.

This patch gave us penalties against the CPU, but took them away from the HUM controlled team. The problem pre patch, was that the CPU wouldn't get penalties, but I would get a ton. Now it's reversed.

[haze56]

Re: NHL 09 Patch Released (360/PS3) -- Impressions here please

Sometimes when the CPU is getting a lot of penalties, I'll take one on purpose just to even it out a bit..I know what you mean though...My CPU controlled player never get penalties.

[Franchizz]

Re: NHL 09 Patch Released (360/PS3) -- Impressions here please

Well this is probably my third or fourth try at Superstar post patch and I cannot score for the life of me. Everything from the wrap around, to my quick timed wrist shot to anything the goalie makes a perfect save or the shot goes wide. Granted I could need some practice and I shall try to drop play to All-Star and see if I do not absolutely blow out opposing teams.

As for penalties, I find them rather sporadic. Some games I will see five, others barely one.

Perhaps I should use some sliders adjustments, if anyone has some suggestions post patch that would be helpful as I am currently on default.

Edit: So much for All-Star, I absolutely tore apart Pittsburgh, outshoting them and shuting them out. I was on the attack double the amount of time they were and my only real fault was a surprisingly onesided amount of hits (71 to 20) Not sure if this patch is actually all that grand.

[original6]

Re: NHL 09 Patch Released (360/PS3) -- Impressions here please

I realize a lot of people love this game and I'm not trying to rain on any parades....this is just my opinion.

Not digging this game....just not hockey. I've played it a lot post and pre patch and there is one GLARING issue I don't see anyone talkng about and it surprises me...........there are almost ZERO odd man rushes by both the AI and the human player. These plays are non existant in this game because the defense can skate backwards too quickly and force you outside entirely too easily.

This is a HUGE part of hockey and EA has decided to leave it out entirely.

Instead on offense everything is set up and executed as if you are on the PP.... this includes even strength 5 on 5 play.

It's the same thing over and over again.

-Gain puck possesion
-advance to offensive zone
-cycle for open shot

This makes for very monotenous gameplay and makes all teams play the same. Speed doesn't matter because you can not get out on odd man rushes.

ohiost

Excellent observation. Now that you mention it, I haven't seen any either offline. Kinda makes the advantage of speedy players who feast on breakaway chances, like Gaborik, null and void. Couple this with the fact that even less-talented players can deke as well as the skilled ones, and you really don't see the player separation you should.

[catcatch22]

Re: NHL 09 Patch Released (360/PS3) -- Impressions here please

Excellent observation. Now that you mention it, I haven't seen any either offline. Kinda makes the advantage of speedy players who feast on breakaway chances, like Gaborik, null and void. Couple this with the fact that even less-talented players can deke as well as the skilled ones, and you really don't see the player separation you should.

That is not true I have had several breakaways online and against the AI post patch.

In the real NHL you get breakaways with good defense in the neutral zone forcing turnovers on their defenseman. Unlike NHL 08 where you got odd man rushes every time you went up the ice from your own zone.

There are problems with the patch, this in my opinion is not one of them.

[nyr30]

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I just uploaded a video to EA SPORTS World just because i was disgusted with what just happened to me in a game against the Devils.

This is in OT and i was under pressure so i pass round the back of my net to my other Dman and planned to play a pass up the right hand side to break out the zone but the AI had different ideas.

I couldnt move and the Cpu came in and took the puck passed out front and scored. It was a fresh line on the ice yet my player couldnt move because it seems he was exhausted. i swear its seems this game just has the game won before you play.

It was an easy play that had been executed numerous times before this occurence. it aint a big deal but this is the sort of **** that holds this game back. look at how long i have the puck, its like 3secs and i couldnt move the delay was long enough to let the Cpu get to me.

http://www.easportsworld.com/en_US/video/2260897

[Battman]

Re: NHL 09 Patch Released (360/PS3) -- Impressions here please

After another 4 hours NHL 09, this time with a XBOX360.
I am more and more frustrated.

I based my decision to buy this game on the demo version an on the 360-final version which my friend bought.
I would have never bought this game with the patch 1.1-version.
Now I own a game, which cost me 69 euro and after tonights experience I totally lost interest in playing this game again. I was forced into a patch which ruins the playability:

It is simply impossible to score from the distance!
All goals result from situations in or near the crease.
So if you try to make combinations and find an open shot your chances of suceeding are limited. If you play a dull "attack the goalie" game and "shoot in the crease - occasionally the goalie will miss it" you succeed. I lost today against to players who got absolutely no game. I created open shots and really had one of my better days. But I could hardly score. My oppenent deeked into the offensive zone, rarely succeeded in doing so. But a few times he came through, attacked the goalie - no deke or virtuous stickhandling there - just simple ""run and gun". He scored twice, I scored once. An in the second game again. 2:1 for the opponent.
Sorry, but that is crap!

Even worse ist the 2-player-game vs. online opponents. My best friend and I gave it up today, because if your opponent doesn't play for the first time you have no chance at all to win. The passing is b****. The CPU seems to get confused with the passing if two players play one time. You aim to the right and the puck goes down the middle, directly to your opponent.
You lose nearly every single poke-check-duel against the 1-player online opponent. The one-timers are just a matter of luck if you hit air or the puck. They totally lack control.

This was my XBOX360 experience, which ist - and that's the worst of all flaws - is still 10 times better than the patched PS3-version (which I own)!!

In the PS3-version the goalie is dumb as hell and regularly lies down with no reason. This does not happen in the XBOX 360 version.

Even worse, there is a cheese for the attack-the-goalie-game in the PS3-version. Just turn sharp left in the crease to fool the goalie and score. This cheese doesn't seem to work for the XBOX360, because nobody suceeded in doing so on this system. In the PS3-version it works on a regular basis.

I'm done with the game until EA decides to patch this patch.
If that doesn't happen I will sell the game and play NHL 08 again. Because NHL 08 is by far better than NHL 09 with patch 1.1.

[Battman]

Re: NHL 09 Patch Released (360/PS3) -- Impressions here please

What I totally forgot:

We played an online-game (XBOX). After approx. 5 Minutes in the quarter the game all of a sudden restarted with the opening face-off. After a few minutes into the quarter it restarted again at 20:00 an face-off. That happened another 3 times before I ended the game.
Anyone else with this problem?

[celtic78]

Re: NHL 09 Patch Released (360/PS3) -- Impressions here please

After another 4 hours NHL 09, this time with a XBOX360.
I am more and more frustrated.

I based my decision to buy this game on the demo version an on the 360-final version which my friend bought.
I would have never bought this game with the patch 1.1-version.
Now I own a game, which cost me 69 euro and after tonights experience I totally lost interest in playing this game again. I was forced into a patch which ruins the playability:

It is simply impossible to score from the distance!
All goals result from situations in or near the crease.
So if you try to make combinations and find an open shot your chances of suceeding are limited. If you play a dull "attack the goalie" game and "shoot in the crease - occasionally the goalie will miss it" you succeed. I lost today against to players who got absolutely no game. I created open shots and really had one of my better days. But I could hardly score. My oppenent deeked into the offensive zone, rarely succeeded in doing so. But a few times he came through, attacked the goalie - no deke or virtuous stickhandling there - just simple ""run and gun". He scored twice, I scored once. An in the second game again. 2:1 for the opponent.
Sorry, but that is crap!

Even worse ist the 2-player-game vs. online opponents. My best friend and I gave it up today, because if your opponent doesn't play for the first time you have no chance at all to win. The passing is b****. The CPU seems to get confused with the passing if two players play one time. You aim to the right and the puck goes down the middle, directly to your opponent.
You lose nearly every single poke-check-duel against the 1-player online opponent. The one-timers are just a matter of luck if you hit air or the puck. They totally lack control.

This was my XBOX360 experience, which ist - and that's the worst of all flaws - is still 10 times better than the patched PS3-version (which I own)!!

In the PS3-version the goalie is dumb as hell and regularly lies down with no reason. This does not happen in the XBOX 360 version.

Even worse, there is a cheese for the attack-the-goalie-game in the PS3-version. Just turn sharp left in the crease to fool the goalie and score. This cheese doesn't seem to work for the XBOX360, because nobody suceeded in doing so on this system. In the PS3-version it works on a regular basis.

I'm done with the game until EA decides to patch this patch.
If that doesn't happen I will sell the game and play NHL 08 again. Because NHL 08 is by far better than NHL 09 with patch 1.1.

ive scored goals from the point with girardi mara and redden in the game through screens and without and tricklers and clean goals. i have shot power and accuracy at both at 3 .

[ChiTownKid]

Re: NHL 09 Patch Released (360/PS3) -- Impressions here please

It's driving me crazy that a game I loved has turned into a game that I hate, all because of a patch that was supposed to IMPROVE it.

[catcatch22]

Re: NHL 09 Patch Released (360/PS3) -- Impressions here please

ive scored goals from the point with girardi mara and redden in the game through screens and without and tricklers and clean goals. i have shot power and accuracy at both at 3 .

I have as well post patch, however there were people complaining they could not score from the point pre patch as well so go figure.

The problem for me is the AI on superstar is not a challenge for me even with shot accuracy at 3 and shot power at 3. They can't score against me post patch like they could pre-patch. That is the only problem I am having post patch.

[ohyeahbaby123]

Re: NHL 09 Patch Released (360/PS3) -- Impressions here please

I don't know why everyone is upset goals are scored in the crease... Most goals are scored that way in real hockey. And I have scored from clean point shots, but shot power has to be at 3 and the goalie needs to be screened.