NHL 09 Patch Released (360/PS3) -- Impressions here please

[Franchizz]

Re: NHL 09 Patch Released (360/PS3) -- Impressions here please

What has me frustrated is on Superstar I cannot score whatsoever. The goalie either makes the perfect save or the players pokecheck, hit, whatever as I setup in the slot or near the crease. Now this would be fine if it was occasional or even for a couple games however thus far it has been in every single game I have played. Meanwhile Crosby beat Price top shelf with barely the space of a tennis ball to work; Malkin did the same in the following period.

I of course have a beauty of a shot stoned by Fleury. The only goal he finally let in was a dirty five hole Laperrie was fortunate to tuck in after the rebound. Is it my inability to play Superstar - I was beginning to play on SS prior to the patch - or is the AI this ridiculous for everyone and thus sliders are a necessity? Tips would be extremely appreciated because this is unbelieveably furastrating.

Edit: I am beginning to wonder if this patch was meant purely for online play, essentially screwing though who prefer Dynasty.

[original6]

Re: NHL 09 Patch Released (360/PS3) -- Impressions here please

I haven't bought a hockey game yet this year. So after this patch, do you guys recommend NHL 09 or NHL 2K9?

Rent them both and make a decision. If you want my opinion though, neither is that great. Both have serious flaws that keep me from maintaining any kind of interest in continuing to play them. If choosing between the lesser of two evils, I'd go with 2k9 only because of the goalies and goal variety.

[JKidd10]

Re: NHL 09 Patch Released (360/PS3) -- Impressions here please

What flaws are you talking about O6?

[original6]

Re: NHL 09 Patch Released (360/PS3) -- Impressions here please

What flaws are you talking about O6?

Which game?

[bad_philanthropy]

Re: NHL 09 Patch Released (360/PS3) -- Impressions here please

I think the patch is growing on me. The cpu has a hell of a time with trap teams, but against teams that play a more wide open style they can hold their own on SS.

For people having trouble scoring, if you aren't shooting from a good platform (ie with time at the top of the circle, or in the slot, a nice soft one-time pass with your player squared up for it, etc...), try to use the left stick more than the right stick to get the puck moving from side to side, it has a much greater effect getting the goalie to move and be in a less comitted position to face a shot.

It's difficult to explain but try to set up your right stick dekes with left stick movements.

[nyr30]

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The AI in this game is just horrible, anything good about this game is wiped away by the fact that the AI is beyond stupid. EA could have a fantastic game if the AI was up to par with everything else.

In BAP the AI really doesnt know what it wants to do with itself, the mind set is give the user the puck no matter what. The defense just doesnt do anything it backs away until you are right on your goalies doorstep.

You spend the whole game trying to cover AI mistakes rather than trying to play your position as one of the team, its like it puposely doesnt try to stop plays as to make the user have to do something which you shouldnt be.

The Offense is much the same, having to come back and do the defense job because you know it wont. What i have noticed on dump ins is everytime is just about the same, the AI will dump the puck in the Dman cant get the puck under control the forward steals the puck then goes to the net.

The user team vary rarily wins the battles in the corners which i have noticed happpens in Dynasty as well. It needs to be less geared towards the AI's advantage thats why i said in a previous thread that with EA looking to implement more board play i think it may turn out to be a shambles. Imagine the AI advantage the way it is just now and then add to that constantly losing the board battles then the game will just be beyond frustration.

Of course this is on Superstar and as others have mentioned with the game feeling like it is already scripted when you are going to lose it isnt going to make it much fun unless the AI is much improved.

Just my opinion.

[ohyeahbaby123]

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The AI in this game is just horrible, anything good about this game is wiped away by the fact that the AI is beyond stupid. EA could have a fantastic game if the AI was up to par with everything else.

In BAP the AI really doesnt know what it wants to do with itself, the mind set is give the user the puck no matter what. The defense just doesnt do anything it backs away until you are right on your goalies doorstep.

You spend the whole game trying to cover AI mistakes rather than trying to play your position as one of the team, its like it puposely doesnt try to stop plays as to make the user have to do something which you shouldnt be.

The Offense is much the same, having to come back and do the defense job because you know it wont. What i have noticed on dump ins is everytime is just about the same, the AI will dump the puck in the Dman cant get the puck under control the forward steals the puck then goes to the net.

The user team vary rarily wins the battles in the corners which i have noticed happpens in Dynasty as well. It needs to be less geared towards the AI's advantage thats why i said in a previous thread that with EA looking to implement more board play i think it may turn out to be a shambles. Imagine the AI advantage the way it is just now and then add to that constantly losing the board battles then the game will just be beyond frustration.

Of course this is on Superstar and as others have mentioned with the game feeling like it is already scripted when you are going to lose it isnt going to make it much fun unless the AI is much improved.

Just my opinion.

I never have had problems w/ gaining loose pucks... in the corner, just lift the stick on the forward and take the puck, or just level them into the boards.

[nyr30]

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I never have had problems w/ gaining loose pucks... in the corner, just lift the stick on the forward and take the puck, or just level them into the boards.

I lift the stick but the Cpu always comes out with it thats why i have started to leave the puck then cream the guy that gets it, when i did stick lift its not effective, its definitely not as effective as the Cpu.

Its undecisive, in fact that is how i would describe the AI as a whole, undecisive. Things like if you take a penalty and there is a loose puck but you cant collect it straight away, its like there is a delay. Its either to give the advantage to the other team to get a man on or it just doesnt react quick enough.

Its little things like this that spoil the game for me, Modes like BAP are great ideas but to make them play great i think the AI needs a lot of work.

[JKidd10]

Re: NHL 09 Patch Released (360/PS3) -- Impressions here please

Which game?

Both games

[BumbaObutuu]

Re: NHL 09 Patch Released (360/PS3) -- Impressions here please

I don't really have the time to read all the posts concerning the new patch, so I just have a quick question:

1-My PS3 isn't plugged online, so I haven't had the patch automatically installed. Is it possible to download the patch, put it on my key and saving it to my PS3??

Thanks for the help!

[bjackets]

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The problem with all EA sports games through out their history is that the same logic is built into all of them.

EA puts the same theoretic cheats into all their sports games instead of making the different levels play smarter to make them more competitive.....because it's easier (albeit cheap) and it's proven to be successful for them.

At the core of all their sports games is the same basic engine...once it does well for one sport that same engine and formula is then ported to all the others.

Think about it....the same comeback logic, rating boosts or decreases, etc are in all their games and they take effect predictably in the same situations across the board.

This is done to keep costs down so that you don't have to actually create different core engines for the different sports. It's far less work and cost effective to have one core sports engine and build everything else around it for the different sports.

EA finds an engine that works (ie big money maker) then ports these core elements across the board. Yes it is a very lazy way to do things but it's also been extremely profitable for them so why change?

That is why slider adjustments never help out enough in any of EA's games. These same issues that you see over and over again are hard coded into the their basic sports engine and can't be changed by sliders or a patch.

ohiost

[zudatron]

Re: NHL 09 Patch Released (360/PS3) -- Impressions here please

This is done to keep costs down so that you don't have to actually create different core engines for the different sports. It's far less work and cost effective to have one core sports engine and build everything else around it for the different sports.

What would you say goes into this "core" engine besides catch up logic?

[original6]

Re: NHL 09 Patch Released (360/PS3) -- Impressions here please

Both games

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2038907267

Here ya go. Between my opinions and those of others who've posted in that thread, you should get a good idea of both games' flaws.

[tabulaRasa]

Re: NHL 09 Patch Released (360/PS3) -- Impressions here please

I think the patch is growing on me. The cpu has a hell of a time with trap teams, but against teams that play a more wide open style they can hold their own on SS.

For people having trouble scoring, if you aren't shooting from a good platform (ie with time at the top of the circle, or in the slot, a nice soft one-time pass with your player squared up for it, etc...), try to use the left stick more than the right stick to get the puck moving from side to side, it has a much greater effect getting the goalie to move and be in a less comitted position to face a shot.

It's difficult to explain but try to set up your right stick dekes with left stick movements.

This patch suck. If you think moneygoals are over, think again, you just have to discover them again, already I have found worse moneygoals than before, going side 5-hole, s-move from the boards and shot closest top shelf etc. THe only difference now, is that you can defy traffic with whatever deke, and that 90% of all goals are close crease goals or dekes.

IF anything pre patch required more tactics, more need to be creative in your passing, less time to freak deke around and overall it was more realistic as a whole. Sure the aiming was a bit too good, but now it´s lame, and the combination of lacking skill work defensivly and the uberdeke power and lame aim, all make scoring based around the crease online.

Online is the only way to really see the pros and cons of a sport game since online players find and exploit all that´s in the game. Cpus don´t.

And for the record still on a winning streak, it´s just gone from being a good sequel to being a NHL08 mimic, where skill was second to "fun dekes and traffic defying poop".

[catcatch22]

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This patch suck. If you think moneygoals are over, think again, you just have to discover them again, already I have found worse moneygoals than before, going side 5-hole, s-move from the boards and shot closest top shelf etc. THe only difference now, is that you can defy traffic with whatever deke, and that 90% of all goals are close crease goals or dekes.

IF anything pre patch required more tactics, more need to be creative in your passing, less time to freak deke around and overall it was more realistic as a whole. Sure the aiming was a bit too good, but now it´s lame, and the combination of lacking skill work defensivly and the uberdeke power and lame aim, all make scoring based around the crease online.

Online is the only way to really see the pros and cons of a sport game since online players find and exploit all that´s in the game. Cpus don´t.

And for the record still on a winning streak, it´s just gone from being a good sequel to being a NHL08 mimic, where skill was second to "fun dekes and traffic defying poop".

I don't agree cause all the cheap goals that you mention that people are using now were there pre patch as well. However these cheap movements can be stopped since they have to get near the net.

As for the uber deking I simply get in front and put the stick down and they lose the puck everytime or don't go kamikaze and try to hit everyone.

As for the s moves from the boards all you have to do is stand there and wait and when they come back over the goal line put the sitck down and they lose the puck again and again.

You can defend these tactics. If you are winning game in and game out then why are you complaining? Is it because you can only score this way yourself? I have scored many different ways so I am not sure what has been limited. I've scored from distance and in close without having to resort to anything cheap.