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  • K_rob11
    MVP
    • Sep 2005
    • 1465

    #1

    One thing that annoys the hell out of me....

    When playing defense, I hate how your players gets SUCKED TO the ball handler at times. Most of the time this causes a double team which I do not want. I try to pull my guy a way, but sometimes he is just stuck on his man. I would like to play off my man at times, but I can't when I am being sucked in.

    I also don't like when the CPU has the ball in the post backing you in, and they start to go into a fade away-turn-around-jumper animation and I CAN'T JUMP TO BLOCK THE SHOT AT TIMES. I keep pressing 'Y' but my guy never jumps. If the CPU is fading away from the post, you can't jump up to block the shot.

    Anyone else see this?
    "Basketball is my favorite sport
    I like the way they dribble up and down the court
    Just like I'm the King on the microphone so is Dr. J and Moses Malone"
  • Chuckles1291
    Rookie
    • Nov 2008
    • 107

    #2
    Re: One thing that annoys the hell out of me....

    Yeah, iv'e noticed both of your problems and I really don't have an answer for why you can't try to block the fade-away shot...That still puzzles me. The only thing I can think is that he is creating more space than you think he his but then again I don' know.. I personally like the fact that you get sucked in on the player with the ball. Although at times it's really not needed. What I usually do is that if I get sucked in I just hurry up and pull my analog stick back which causes the ball handler to jump back also. Doing this creates seperation and it gives you a chance of getting a back-court violation called on your opponent. Hope this helps.:wink:
    Last edited by Chuckles1291; 12-30-2008, 03:12 PM.
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    • countryboy
      Growing pains
      • Sep 2003
      • 52831

      #3
      Re: One thing that annoys the hell out of me....

      Originally posted by K_rob11
      When playing defense, I hate how your players gets SUCKED TO the ball handler at times. Most of the time this causes a double team which I do not want. I try to pull my guy a way, but sometimes he is just stuck on his man. I would like to play off my man at times, but I can't when I am being sucked in.

      I also don't like when the CPU has the ball in the post backing you in, and they start to go into a fade away-turn-around-jumper animation and I CAN'T JUMP TO BLOCK THE SHOT AT TIMES. I keep pressing 'Y' but my guy never jumps. If the CPU is fading away from the post, you can't jump up to block the shot.

      Anyone else see this?
      Yes. The suction defense is annoying as all get out. The cpu ball handler will beat my guy off the dribble and I switch back to the help defense but can't rotate over because I am "attached" to my offensive assignment. Very, very frustrating.

      And I know what you're talking about in regards to the post as well. Here's the only "remedy" that I've found for it, though it still doesn't work all the time, but its been a bit better than just jumping.

      When the offensive player goes into the spin away from the basket move, press the analog stick away from the defender and then press the block shot button. The other thing is if you don't want to that, press up on the r-analog stick. You're defender won't jump, but will occasionally put a hand in the offensive players face.

      This move, the fadeaway post move, is attributed to the suction defense as well. You're player is "stuck" to the offensive player and by the time the game "frees" him, its too late to jump to block the shot.
      I can't shave with my eyes closed, meaning each day I have to look at myself in the mirror and respect who I see.

      I miss the old days of Operation Sports :(


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      • duke776
        MVP
        • Nov 2006
        • 3044

        #4
        Re: One thing that annoys the hell out of me....

        I agree with the players getting sucked into guarding the ball handler really close. I just like to have full control of my guys, and sometimes when it forces a double team(when I don't want to) they can get a open shot easily. The second problem, I really haven't played a whole lot so I'm not sure if that's happened or not.

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        • K_rob11
          MVP
          • Sep 2005
          • 1465

          #5
          Re: One thing that annoys the hell out of me....

          Originally posted by countryboy
          Yes. The suction defense is annoying as all get out. The cpu ball handler will beat my guy off the dribble and I switch back to the help defense but can't rotate over because I am "attached" to my offensive assignment. Very, very frustrating.

          And I know what you're talking about in regards to the post as well. Here's the only "remedy" that I've found for it, though it still doesn't work all the time, but its been a bit better than just jumping.

          When the offensive player goes into the spin away from the basket move, press the analog stick away from the defender and then press the block shot button. The other thing is if you don't want to that, press up on the r-analog stick. You're defender won't jump, but will occasionally put a hand in the offensive players face.

          This move, the fadeaway post move, is attributed to the suction defense as well. You're player is "stuck" to the offensive player and by the time the game "frees" him, its too late to jump to block the shot.
          Yeah CB, that's what I've figured out to do in regards to defending the fade away. Funny thing is, when the game actually DOES ALLOW ME TO JUMP, the CPU does an up and under move making my defender look silly .
          "Basketball is my favorite sport
          I like the way they dribble up and down the court
          Just like I'm the King on the microphone so is Dr. J and Moses Malone"

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          • countryboy
            Growing pains
            • Sep 2003
            • 52831

            #6
            Re: One thing that annoys the hell out of me....

            Originally posted by K_rob11
            Yeah CB, that's what I've figured out to do in regards to defending the fade away. Funny thing is, when the game actually DOES ALLOW ME TO JUMP, the CPU does an up and under move making my defender look silly .
            Yeah, happens alot to me as well.
            I can't shave with my eyes closed, meaning each day I have to look at myself in the mirror and respect who I see.

            I miss the old days of Operation Sports :(


            Louisville Cardinals/St.Louis Cardinals

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            • K_rob11
              MVP
              • Sep 2005
              • 1465

              #7
              Re: One thing that annoys the hell out of me....

              Here is another (defensive) annoyance......


              I HATE, absolutely HATE the fact that you cannot guard any player other than the player you are assigned to. If you are playing man to man and you try and pick up the SF with you PG (in transition), your SF will still run to the SF causing a double team instead of going to the NOW OPEN PG....who the CPU wisely passes to for the open shot. So the only way to get your PG to guard the SF is to set the defensive match ups. This is why there are no switching during pick and rolls and no switching on defense period because the CPU will always bring your guy back to the person they are assigned to guard.

              Sigh.....

              But having said all that, I STILL love this game. I think that says alot on how fun this gameplay engine is. Just think about these HUGE defenisve flaws in this game.......but yet I am still very much drawn into this game. I think EA is just a few tweaks and a good number of animations away from making this game great for college basketball lovers.


              sorry for all the negativity today...just not in a good mood....long day at work plus just recieved word that our starting big man for my (real life) basketball team has a broken ankle.....
              Last edited by K_rob11; 12-30-2008, 03:30 PM.
              "Basketball is my favorite sport
              I like the way they dribble up and down the court
              Just like I'm the King on the microphone so is Dr. J and Moses Malone"

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              • Bigdmo9999
                Banned
                • Jan 2008
                • 5318

                #8
                Re: One thing that annoys the hell out of me....

                I absolutely cannot stand how EVERY center can make a fade away jumper ANYWHERE on the floor. I bet if a center backed me down at half court and did that turn around fade he would hit it. Its ALWAYS a swish and is hardly ever missed. I mean it happens in real life but maybe 2 feet from the hoop. If I don't end up blocking it I get screwed because it always goes in.

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                • duke776
                  MVP
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 3044

                  #9
                  Re: One thing that annoys the hell out of me....

                  Or when you have a chance to tie the game with a 3 near the end of the game, you drain the 3 and it only counts as 2. Feet are clearly behind the line, it's not even close. This annoys the hell out of me. This was the first time it happened to me. It could've happened any other time and I wouldn't have cared as much, but it just had to be that moment.

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                  • Chuckles1291
                    Rookie
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 107

                    #10
                    Re: One thing that annoys the hell out of me....

                    Originally posted by Bigdmo9999
                    I absolutely cannot stand how EVERY center can make a fade away jumper ANYWHERE on the floor. I bet if a center backed me down at half court and did that turn around fade he would hit it. Its ALWAYS a swish and is hardly ever missed. I mean it happens in real life but maybe 2 feet from the hoop. If I don't end up blocking it I get screwed because it always goes in.
                    Yeah, I know exactly what you mean on this one. It seems like the teams that I lose to always go to the turn-around jumper to get the majority of their points.
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                    • jkra0512
                      MVP
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 2277

                      #11
                      Re: One thing that annoys the hell out of me....

                      If you are reading this EA here's a quick recap:

                      - Fix the player's feet detection BEHIND the three point line
                      - Players shouldn't be sucked into unwanted double teams
                      - Let us guard whomever we choose coming down the court so we can stop the fast break
                      - Quit with the automatic two from the bigs shooting fadaways.
                      - Fix Loose Ball Mechanics! (Explanation below)

                      Too many times during a game do I see a loose ball and the defense lolligags to the ball while the offense runs its butt off to get to it. More times than not they get an easy basket from it. Also, there are too many times I see a blocked shot, from me, turn into an easy 2 for them. Seems like there is no reward for a block shot and this all comes back to the loose ball mechanics.

                      Defense is huge to a team like Georgetown, who I am playing as, and this takes out 1/2 the game for me. These need to be addressed!

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                      • ColProd
                        Rookie
                        • Dec 2007
                        • 84

                        #12
                        Re: One thing that annoys the hell out of me....

                        I like this game, but I don't understand the REMOVAL of features. No more tip-ins, no more diving for loose balls, no voice-over on the selection show, no seeds shown on the tourny bracket, etc...

                        I'm not sure why they REMOVED features. It's still a very fun game, but it doesn't make sense.

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                        • Chuckles1291
                          Rookie
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 107

                          #13
                          Re: One thing that annoys the hell out of me....

                          Originally posted by ColProd
                          I like this game, but I don't understand the REMOVAL of features. No more tip-ins, no more diving for loose balls, no voice-over on the selection show, no seeds shown on the tourny bracket, etc...

                          I'm not sure why they REMOVED features. It's still a very fun game, but it doesn't make sense.
                          I completely agree with you man....Why would they remove features that have been with the game since before I could remember?
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                          • countryboy
                            Growing pains
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 52831

                            #14
                            Re: One thing that annoys the hell out of me....

                            part of it I believe is due to the major overhaul/facelift this game got. I wonder how much they had to "tear down" to get it to this level of playability?
                            I can't shave with my eyes closed, meaning each day I have to look at myself in the mirror and respect who I see.

                            I miss the old days of Operation Sports :(


                            Louisville Cardinals/St.Louis Cardinals

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                            • Bigdmo9999
                              Banned
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 5318

                              #15
                              Re: One thing that annoys the hell out of me....

                              Originally posted by countryboy
                              part of it I believe is due to the major overhaul/facelift this game got. I wonder how much they had to "tear down" to get it to this level of playability?
                              Well I know you've been here for a while so I'm sure you've heard the NCAA Football devs talk about how they don't need to take features out to fit other ones, so I'm also confused why stuff would be taken out. I mean EA makes both games so I thought they'd have the same philosophy across games.

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