Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

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  • MassNole
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    • Mar 2006
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    #31
    Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

    They just beat Alabama by more than Florida did. Whittingham is a defensive coach who knows Meyer's system better than anyone not named Dan Mullen. Those kids can play, I'd love to see them have a chance at Florida, it is SEC homerism to believe Utah couldn't win that game. As for Oklahoma, we've seen Defenses in the conference suck. Oklahoma's best win was over Texas Tech, the same Texas Tech who just lost to Ole Miss, which isn't as impressive as really either of Utah's wins over Alabama or TCU.

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    • ZB9
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      • Nov 2004
      • 18387

      #32
      Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

      Utah went undefeated beating Alabama, Oregon State, BYU, Michigan, TCU...hell yes they deserve it imo.

      I dont care what happens in the "national championship game". There will not be a more deserving team than Utah imo.

      They wont get it from the AP (I hope im underestimating the AP), and there wont be a legit national champion this season. There will not be a last team standing that is clearly the best in the nation. The old pre-BCS system, where there could be multiple NCs, would actually be better in years like this imo.

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      • fsquid
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        • Jul 2002
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        #33
        Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

        Originally posted by Cebby
        The 1A opponents' winning % and scoring margins:

        Utah: .517 and 240 (including the bowl)
        Florida: .621 and 369 (including SECCG)
        OU: .636 and 328 (including BigXIICG)

        Those are some pretty big gaps
        Florida's winning % is helped by the SEC who plays no one out of conference. OU did play a much better schedule.

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        • Chip Douglass
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          • Dec 2005
          • 12256

          #34
          Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

          Originally posted by Cebby
          Yes.
          They did? Which conference teams on Boise State's schedule are comparable to BYU and TCU?

          Had the Oregon fiasco not occurred, they would have been ranked in the same place as Alabama. As it is, they finished #11, and Alabama will finish 7-9.
          And...you didn't really answer the question. Odd, since I do remember you saying quite a while ago that '06 Oklahoma "was among one of the worst BCS teams ever." I think the difference here is that Boise State won in remarkable, comeback fashion against Oklahoma. Utah absolutely buried Alabama from the start.

          Comparing '08 'Bama's schedule to '06 Chokie's schedule, Chokie's best win was against...Nebraska and didn't even have a win against a 10 win team. 'Bama rolled Georgia and beat Ole Miss. Not even a comparison here.
          Last edited by Chip Douglass; 01-03-2009, 12:31 AM.
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          • MassNole
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            • Mar 2006
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            #35
            Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

            Where this system fails is the ignorance by the voters who select the BCS teams. Utah should have been #1 in the Coaches and AP vote for finishing undeated with their schedule prior to this point. Blindly looking at it, they beat the the #11 and #16 teams in the country, they beat the same #25 Oregon State team that beat USC (really, we need to take injuries into account for the Oregon debacle), and won a game @ Michigan early in the season. That's a legit #1 team regardless of conference affiliation if that's what the numbers say. If Utah had been #1 in the Coaches and/or Harris Poll, with the computer rankings, would they be playing in the MNC game? I'd have to believe so.

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            • ZB9
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              • Nov 2004
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              #36
              Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

              Originally posted by fsquid
              Florida's winning % is helped by the SEC who plays no one out of conference. OU did play a much better schedule.
              if OU wins their bowl game, they will be the "national champions", yet the 3rd best team in the country imo, with the 3rd best case for NC...behind #1 Utah and #2 Texas if Texas happens to win their game.

              yea I know OU will be voted #1 if they win, but they shouldnt be.

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              • MassNole
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                • Mar 2006
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                #37
                Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

                Originally posted by ZB9
                if OU wins their bowl game, they will be the "national champions", yet the 3rd best team in the country imo, with the 3rd best case for NC...behind #1 Utah and #2 Texas if Texas happens to win their game.

                yea I know OU will be voted #1 if they win, but they shouldnt be.
                I agree with you completely on this one.

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                • ipitythafool25
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                  • Dec 2002
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                  #38
                  Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

                  Most definitely deserve it...they deserve it straight up, but that will never happen of course..and neither will a split

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                  • Cebby
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                    • Apr 2005
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                    #39
                    Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

                    Originally posted by Hammerhunker
                    Great stats. Please clarify, the scoring margin is points scored-points given up? Just wanted to make sure.
                    Yes.

                    Florida's winning % is helped by the SEC who plays no one out of conference. OU did play a much better schedule.
                    Florida will have played 11 bowl teams and 5 ranked teams while Utah will have played 6 bowl teams and 4 ranked teams.

                    They did?
                    Yes. Oregon St was in the same position in 2008 as they were in 2006, and Hawaii won 11 games. They played nearly identical schedules.

                    Odd, since I do remember you saying quite a while ago that '06 Oklahoma "was among one of the worst BCS teams ever."
                    I don't think I would say that Oklahoma was worse than the ACC , Notre Dame, Big 10, and Big East teams of late. That seems uncharacteristic of me.

                    If Utah had been #1 in the Coaches and/or Harris Poll, with the computer rankings, would they be playing in the MNC game?
                    It would depend on the margins and who was #2 and #3.

                    If you mean just sticking them ahead of OU and Florida with OU and Florida keeping the same margins, then yes, they would have been in the game.
                    Last edited by Cebby; 01-03-2009, 12:34 AM.

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                    • SuperBowlNachos
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                      • Jul 2004
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                      #40
                      Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

                      I don't see why the AP WOULDN'T put Utah number one. They might as well create some controversey since the BCS is what "matters". Get your product talked about and in the press.

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                      • BigDofBA
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                        #41
                        Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

                        Lets not jump to conclusions becuase Utah beat an overrated Bama team.

                        Florida and USC are still better than Utah. I've been saying those are the two best teams since the pre-season and I'm not going to change. Even then, Oregon State and TCU had Utah dead in the water and Utah somehow found a way to win. Michigan even had a great chance at beating Utah.

                        With that said, I think Utah might be able to beat anyone except USC/Florida.
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                        • MassNole
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                          #42
                          Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

                          Originally posted by Cebby
                          Yes. Oregon St was in the same position in 2008 as they were in 2008, and Hawaii won 11 games. They played nearly identical schedules.
                          Here is the difference though, when Utah beat Oregon State, they were coming off of their win vs. USC. The Oregon State team that lost at the end of the year, who was in the driver's seat to win the Pac 10 before losing key players before the Oregon game. We should hold this win in the same regard as we would hold Penn States, as this happened in a 4 week span. It is different when looking at the reality of the season.

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                          • MassNole
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                            #43
                            Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

                            Originally posted by BigDofBA
                            Lets not jump to conclusions becuase Utah beat an overrated Bama team.

                            Florida and USC are still better than Utah. I've been saying those are the two best teams since the pre-season and I'm not going to change. Even then, Oregon State and TCU had Utah dead in the water and Utah somehow found a way to win. Michigan even had a great chance at beating Utah.

                            With that said, I think Utah might be able to beat anyone except USC/Florida.
                            How can you justify that? Utah beat the team who beat USC and just beat Alabama by more than Florida did. In what world could they not reasonably beat Florida or USC?

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                            • Chip Douglass
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                              #44
                              Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

                              Originally posted by Cebby
                              Yes.

                              Yes. Oregon St was in the same position in 2008 as they were in 2006, and Hawaii won 11 games. They played nearly identical schedules.
                              Hooray! A misleading stat. Hawaii won 11 games, but they won 11 games playing an inferior schedule. Their equal win total to TCU is completely irrelevant in Hawaii's case when their best win came against...7-6 Purdue. TCU beat an undefeated Boise Team and 10 win BYU.

                              If you mean just sticking them ahead of OU and Florida with OU and Florida keeping the same margins, then yes, they would have been in the game.
                              '06 Chokie's best win came against a 9 win Nebraska team. In fact, they didn't even beat a team with 10 wins. '08 Bama murdered 11 win Georgia and beat 10-4 Ole Miss.

                              Try again.
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                              • Cebby
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                                #45
                                Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

                                Originally posted by MassNole
                                Here is the difference though, when Utah beat Oregon State, they were coming off of their win vs. USC. The Oregon State team that lost at the end of the year, who was in the driver's seat to win the Pac 10 before losing key players before the Oregon game. We should hold this win in the same regard as we would hold Penn States, as this happened in a 4 week span. It is different when looking at the reality of the season.
                                They were both 4 loss Oregon St teams that started 2-3, were a game from winning the PAC 10 with a tiebreaker over USC, and are only notable for home wins against USC.

                                There's no real difference between the two teams.

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