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  • goUTES
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    • Jan 2006
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    #91
    Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

    Originally posted by BigDofBA
    Utah deserves a shot to play for it all but I'm not just going to crown them champs because they went undefeated.

    Why can't I compare Utah to 2006 Boise? That team went undefeated and beat Fresno St, Utah, OU, and Oregon State.

    If this Utah team deserves a championship then so does the 2006 Boise St. team.
    Fresno St. and Utah weren't as good that year as BYU and Air Force were this year (not to mention Utah went 8-5 in 2006...not really a good team. If you're going to give Boise St. a "good win" for that win, you should give Utah a "good win" for beating Colorado St. this year)

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    • BigDofBA
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      #92
      Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

      Originally posted by MassNole
      So last time Oklahoma played a non-BCS team in a BCS game, what happened? Or is this one of those things they get a pass on.
      What dos 2006 OU have to do with this? That was one of Bob Stoops worst teams and we were barely favored against Boise. Yeah OU does seem to suck in BCS games. It seems like the only team they beat was Florida State.

      -Utah beat New Mexico by 3 points
      -Utah beat Oregon State by 3 points
      -Utah beat Michigan by 2 points.
      -Utah beat TCU by 3 points.

      -Florida destroyed LSU, Georgia, and won the SEC.
      -USC destroyed Ohio State, Penn State, and won the Pac 10.
      -OU destroyed Cincy, TCU, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma state. OU also beat the crap out of KU and Nebraska. Both of those teams won their bowl games.

      Utah was extremely fortunate that the played Oregon State and TCU at home. They are also lucky TCU's kicker miss two chip shot FG's and Oregon State had a meltdown at the end of the game.
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      • BigDofBA
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        #93
        Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

        Originally posted by goUTES
        Fresno St. and Utah weren't as good that year as BYU and Air Force were this year (not to mention Utah went 8-5 in 2006...not really a good team. If you're going to give Boise St. a "good win" for that win, you should give Utah a "good win" for beating Colorado St. this year)
        But they won all of their games.

        If we are going by quality wins then USC, Florida, OU, and Texas all have better wins than Utah this season.

        Which is it?
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        • Cebby
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          #94
          Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

          Originally posted by MassNole
          As for the SOS, if you want to use Sagarin's rankings, you are also admitting that the ACC is the best conference in the country, as his conference rankings ranked them #1. That cannot cut both ways, you can't pick and chooose which part of the equations matter and which don't.
          Actually, I can. Sagarin's conference rankings are different than his team rankings. His conference rankings re skewed towards having the best teams in the middle. The ACC probably is the best conference 7-12, but I only really care about 1-4 or 5. It's more of a difference in application of rankings than actual rankings.

          Stop comparing us to past Boise and Hawaii teams - this isn't even close to the same thing.
          This Utah team and the 2006 Boise team were pretty much the same thing.

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          • Chip Douglass
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            • Dec 2005
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            #95
            Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

            Originally posted by BigDofBA
            Utah just beat an Alabama team that was one dimensional on offense and had an above average defense. Why don't you think USC, OU, or Texas would have done the same thing?
            And why do you assume all of those teams are better than Utah? How did the assumption game work before the Sugar Bowl?

            It just seems hilarious to me that you're quicker to call Alabama "overrated" than you are to give Utah credit. Alabama was a QUARTER AWAY from playing in the MNC game, yet they're suddenly overrated? Would you call Alabama "overrated" if USC/OU did the same thing instead of a MWC team? I doubt it.
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            • BigDofBA
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              #96
              Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

              Originally posted by Olson-for-Heisman
              And why do you assume all of those teams are better than Utah? How did the assumption game work before the Sugar Bowl?

              It just seems hilarious to me that you're quicker to call Alabama "overrated" than you are to give Utah credit. Alabama was a QUARTER AWAY from playing in the MNC game, yet they're suddenly overrated? Would you call Alabama "overrated" if USC/OU did the same thing instead of a MWC team? I doubt it.
              Penn State was seconds away from playing for a championship. That doesn't mean anything.

              If Utah played USC who would you bet on? If Utah played Florida who would you bet on?

              Bama was overrated. Utah is ranked right about where they should be.

              There is a reason I wanted OU to play Bama and not Florida. Likewise, I would have much rather played Penn State than Florida or USC.
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              • MassNole
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                #97
                Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

                Originally posted by BigDofBA
                What dos 2006 OU have to do with this? That was one of Bob Stoops worst teams and we were barely favored against Boise. Yeah OU does seem to suck in BCS games. It seems like the only team they beat was Florida State.

                -Utah beat New Mexico by 3 points
                -Utah beat Oregon State by 3 points
                -Utah beat Michigan by 2 points.
                -Utah beat TCU by 3 points.

                -Florida destroyed LSU, Georgia, and won the SEC.
                -USC destroyed Ohio State, Penn State, and won the Pac 10.
                -OU destroyed Cincy, TCU, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma state. OU also beat the crap out of KU and Nebraska. Both of those teams won their bowl games.
                So again they all get passes for losing games? And really how good is Ohio State? They beat Wisconsin by 3, the same Wisconsin team Florida State beat by nearly 30. How good is Georgia, they lost to Georgia Tech and Alabama. How good is Oklahoma State, Oregon proved to us not very. Ditto KU and Nebraska.

                Oh, as for that 2006 Oklahoma team, if not for the horrendous calls against Oregon, they are in the BCS MNC game. Funny how now that's one of Stoops' worst teams when is convenient for the argument.

                Originally posted by BigDofBA
                Utah was extremely fortunate that the played Oregon State and TCU at home. They are also lucky TCU's kicker miss two chip shot FG's and Oregon State had a meltdown at the end of the game.
                Excuses, excuses.

                Originally posted by BigDofBA
                But they won all of their games.

                If we are going by quality wins then USC, Florida, OU, and Texas all have better wins than Utah this season.

                Which is it?
                Explain the logic?
                Utah's best win over Alabama ranks wherever Florida's does. Then TCU will be ranked ahead of anyone else Florida beats.

                Utah's two best wins will be better than any of USC's top two wins (and oh yeah they beat the team who beat USC).

                Utah's best win over Alabama is greater than OU's win over Texas Tech, and their win over TCU falls where OU's falls.

                Utah's best win over Alabama is nearly identical to Texas' best win over Oklahoma. Similarly their win over TCU is better than anyone other win Texas had.

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                • BigDofBA
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                  #98
                  Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

                  Originally posted by MassNole
                  Utah's best win over Alabama ranks wherever Florida's does. Then TCU will be ranked ahead of anyone else Florida beats.

                  Utah's two best wins will be better than any of USC's top two wins (and oh yeah they beat the team who beat USC).

                  Utah's best win over Alabama is greater than OU's win over Texas Tech, and their win over TCU falls where OU's falls.

                  Utah's best win over Alabama is nearly identical to Texas' best win over Oklahoma. Similarly their win over TCU is better than anyone other win Texas had.
                  LMAO.

                  USC beat Penn State, Ohio State, Oregon, and Arizona. Utah can't top that.

                  Quit talking about TCU when OU completely blew them out of the water.

                  Would you really take Utah over Florida?

                  Utah's win over TCU is better than Texas' win over OU? LOL.
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                  • Chip Douglass
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                    #99
                    Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

                    Originally posted by BigDofBA
                    Penn State was seconds away from playing for a championship. That doesn't mean anything.
                    Yes, it does. Alabama was the undefeated, #1 team in the country, leading #2 Florida by 3 with a quarter to go. Penn State was getting taken to task by Iowa.

                    If Utah played USC who would you bet on? If Utah played Florida who would you bet on?

                    Bama was overrated. Utah is ranked right about where they should be.
                    Nice logic though. I'll try to echo it:

                    "If Utah played Alabama who would you bet on?"
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                    • BigDofBA
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                      #100
                      Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

                      Originally posted by Olson-for-Heisman
                      "If Utah played Alabama who would you bet on?"
                      Utah. I thought Bama was overrated.

                      Thanks for avoiding my question though.
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                      • Chip Douglass
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                        #101
                        Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

                        Originally posted by BigDofBA
                        Utah. I thought Bama was overrated.

                        Thanks for avoiding my question though.
                        Your question isn't really relevant though. USC and Florida would be favorites, much like Alabama was before the game.
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                        • MassNole
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                          #102
                          Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

                          Originally posted by BigDofBA
                          LMAO.

                          USC beat Penn State, Ohio State, Oregon, and Arizona. Utah can't top that.
                          The Big 10 SUCKS, end of story there. Alabama > Penn State, TCU > Ohio State (can even flip those two if you want), so yeah the two top wins are better than USC's, the latter two you mentioned, okay USC has them there, so at the very least, these Top 4 wins equal out.

                          Originally posted by BigDofBA
                          Would you really take Utah over Florida?
                          Lets see, do I think Urban Meyer's former DC could come up with a defensive game plan to slow down Florida's offense, yes, yes I do. Do I think that Utah's offense could move the ball on Florida's defense and their extremely young secondary. So yes, Utah could very well beat Florida.

                          Originally posted by BigDofBA
                          Utah's win over TCU is better than Texas' win over OU? LOL.
                          If you are going to debate me then debate the points I make. As I said, Utah's win over Alabama is EQUAL TO Texas' win over Oklahoma. Their win over TCU is better than Texas' win over Texas Tech. Their win over Oregon State is better than Texas' win over Oklahoma State.

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                          • Chip Douglass
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                            #103
                            Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

                            Originally posted by BigDofBA
                            Bama was overrated. Utah is ranked right about where they should be.
                            Did the loss to Florida compel you to think that 'Bama was overrated?

                            Or was it because they lost to Utah? Doesn't Utah get credit for making Alabama look "overrated" in the first place?
                            Last edited by Chip Douglass; 01-03-2009, 02:09 PM.
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                            • Matteh
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                              #104
                              Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

                              Originally posted by MassNole
                              If we want to employ this logic, Utah's win over Alabama was more impressive than Florida's win over Alabama. They beat Alabama in a SEC city and environment, whereas Florida beat them in a true neutral site game. They beat them in a more impressive fashion, taking a lead early and not letting up. And besides, Oklahoma cannot argue against the merit of a non-BCS team. Utah is the National Champions, I will never recognize Florida or Oklahoma as even a co-National Champion.
                              I didn't argue UF's win over Alabama was more impressive than Utah's. The poster I quoted said Utah beating Alabama and TCU was more impressive than anything OU had done this season when OU beat TCU by 25 points and also beat a similar opponent to Bama (Texas Tech) by 40. I'm not even arguing for Oklahoma (I have no reason to), just wondering how Utah beating TCU and Bama is more impressive than anything OU did this season when I don't think those two wins is more impressive than OU's wins.
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                              • Cebby
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                                #105
                                Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

                                Originally posted by MassNole
                                Explain the logic?
                                Utah's best win over Alabama ranks wherever Florida's does. Then TCU will be ranked ahead of anyone else Florida beats.
                                Florida will have beaten Oklahoma and Alabama who is clearly better than TCU and Alabama.

                                Florida's 39 point win over UGA at a neutral site and 30 point win on the road at FSU are better than Utah's 3 point home win Oregon St and their 24 point home win at BYU.

                                After that, you have Utah's 7 point win over Air Force compared to Florida's 30 point win over LSU.

                                After that, you have Florida with 5 more 20+ point wins over 7 win teams compared to one for Utah.

                                Florida has far better wins. The only argument for Utah is that they didn't lose.

                                If you are going to debate me then debate the points I make. As I said, Utah's win over Alabama is EQUAL TO Texas' win over Oklahoma. Their win over TCU is better than Texas' win over Texas Tech. Their win over Oregon State is better than Texas' win over Oklahoma State.
                                <tcu>

                                The combined record of Texas' wins: 89-63
                                The combined record of Utah's 1A wins: 78-73

                                Texas has better wins</tcu>
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