Thoughts on Manual Blitzes?

[s38s38s]

To me the pass russh from LB's and DB's is broken...what are your feelings on manually blitzing a player?

[RogueHominid]

Re: Thoughts on Manual Blitzes?

Fine by me. The blitz angles are way off, and if you want to get there on time, you often times have to do it yourself.

Some will object, but I think for the most part those are people who played 2k5 and may not get that this game works a bit differently. They're also usually people who don't want to invest in legend OL and think it's cheap that their OL will get fooled on twists and stunts, or make a mistake about which rusher to pick up. Imo, there are good ways to get pressure, but none that are glitchy and none that can't be handled with placalling, personnel, and formations.

[Pappy Knuckles]

Re: Thoughts on Manual Blitzes?

Nothing is wrong with it. The only thing I hate seeing is where guys will manually move a lineman from his starting position and blitz from a spot he's not assigned.

[CreatineKasey]

Re: Thoughts on Manual Blitzes?

Manually blitzing is just fine. If I send 6 and you have 5 OL... I want to get there as fast as possible. Also, manually using DL and using a move is completely fine too. There's no consistent way to get in every time. Yes, using a DL can get better performance out of him than the CPU control, but it's the same at every position.

Pandemic21 was arguing with me that manual blitzing was garbage because I sent 6 against his 5 WR set. This is the stupidest argument I've ever seen. Manual blitzing has it's downsides too, you know. The middle of the field isn't manually covered so passes can oftentimes get completed that would get taken away by my human control.

People that complain about manual blitzes are a)stuck in 2k5 b) whiners who have no substance to their argument or c) both

[Pappy Knuckles]

Re: Thoughts on Manual Blitzes?

Fine by me. The blitz angles are way off, and if you want to get there on time, you often times have to do it yourself.

Some will object, but I think for the most part those are people who played 2k5 and may not get that this game works a bit differently. They're also usually people who don't want to invest in legend OL and think it's cheap that their OL will get fooled on twists and stunts, or make a mistake about which rusher to pick up. Imo, there are good ways to get pressure, but none that are glitchy and none that can't be handled with placalling, personnel, and formations.

In 2K5 manual blitzing was just ridiculous a lot of the time. They handled it a lot better in APF.

[s38s38s]

Re: Thoughts on Manual Blitzes?

Well atleast I know I'm not crazy....

[The Sim God]

Re: Thoughts on Manual Blitzes?

its cheese & has been cheese ala the manley manual rushers who just charge up and bull rush your lineman for instant pressure as they get pushed out of the way.
IF i could control an olineman and charge up myself to counter your charge then it would be sim.
being that youll ALWAYS go against the ai = its cheese

[s38s38s]

Re: Thoughts on Manual Blitzes?

its cheese & has been cheese ala the manley manual rushers who just charge up and bull rush your lineman for instant pressure as they get pushed out of the way.
IF i could control an olineman and charge up myself to counter your charge then it would be sim.
being that youll ALWAYS go against the ai = its cheese

Let me guess you run spread and don't like the quicker pressure, vs the loop d loop the a.i. pulls on an assigned blitz yeah man thats real sim...

[RogueHominid]

Re: Thoughts on Manual Blitzes?

its cheese & has been cheese ala the manley manual rushers who just charge up and bull rush your lineman for instant pressure as they get pushed out of the way.
IF i could control an olineman and charge up myself to counter your charge then it would be sim.
being that youll ALWAYS go against the ai = its cheese

I don't know who designated you the sim god, but I think that with a rep of 96% I can speak to this. You're wrong, imo. I've used and seen Manley plenty. He can be a beast, just like he was in real life, but he's not a lock to beat the T every time, and you can nearly eliminate him with Boselli or Stringer. A silver or a gold with Brick Wall, and he's a non-issue. People of your ilk also complain about twists. I've run these a good bit with Manley and other ends, and I'd say I'm about 25% at getting serious heat with them. Nothing cheese about that--irl the twist is used to confuse lineman, and it's the same in the game. Sometimes they get confused, sometimes they don't.

As Pappy and Creatine said, it's not 2k5, and the same rules don't apply.

But hey, it's just one man's opinion; I'm not god.

[CreatineKasey]

Re: Thoughts on Manual Blitzes?

Just because someone beats an OL doesn't mean they sack you, either. I mean get some skills on the QB and run around a bit! If I see a DE take an inside move, I'll roll out to his contain side and have all day to throw, even if he beats my tackle.

Pass rushing is not the threat some of these people make it out to be. I've played my fair share of games against top 50 players and how come nobody does this consistently? BECAUSE IT ISN'T THAT EFFECTIVE! Many will argue good stick skills are best spent in the secondary. I think there's a place for manual rushes.

People should not be complaining about the defense in this game, if anything. All the fades, outs, loaded Gold offensive players are far more of an issue than some guy trying to get a sack with a bronze DE. Come on now

[s38s38s]

Re: Thoughts on Manual Blitzes?

its cheese & has been cheese ala the manley manual rushers who just charge up and bull rush your lineman for instant pressure as they get pushed out of the way.
IF i could control an olineman and charge up myself to counter your charge then it would be sim.
being that youll ALWAYS go against the ai = its cheese

I don't know who designated you the sim god, but I think that with a rep of 96% I can speak to this. You're wrong, imo. I've used and seen Manley plenty. He can be a beast, just like he was in real life, but he's not a lock to beat the T every time, and you can nearly eliminate him with Boselli or Stringer. A silver or a gold with Brick Wall, and he's a non-issue. People of your ilk also complain about twists. I've run these a good bit with Manley and other ends, and I'd say I'm about 25% at getting serious heat with them. Nothing cheese about that--irl the twist is used to confuse lineman, and it's the same in the game. Sometimes they get confused, sometimes they don't.

As Pappy and Creatine said, it's not 2k5, and the same rules don't apply.

But hey, it's just one man's opinion; I'm not god.

Just because someone beats an OL doesn't mean they sack you, either. I mean get some skills on the QB and run around a bit! If I see a DE take an inside move, I'll roll out to his contain side and have all day to throw, even if he beats my tackle.

Pass rushing is not the threat some of these people make it out to be. I've played my fair share of games against top 50 players and how come nobody does this consistently? BECAUSE IT ISN'T THAT EFFECTIVE! Many will argue good stick skills are best spent in the secondary. I think there's a place for manual rushes.

People should not be complaining about the defense in this game, if anything. All the fades, outs, loaded Gold offensive players are far more of an issue than some guy trying to get a sack with a bronze DE. Come on now

Sim Chump = Pwned

[Pappy Knuckles]

Re: Thoughts on Manual Blitzes?

The Sim God is one of the most respected names in the All Pro Community. His words should be appreciated and acknowleged as the final say in all things concerning fair play. How dare any of you question him.

[RogueHominid]

Re: Thoughts on Manual Blitzes?

I defer in all matters to Knuckles. All due apologies.

[C-Bus]

Re: Thoughts on Manual Blitzes?

No disrespect intended but was Pappy being sarcastic???? I don't really know who Sim God is but even if he invented APF his opinion is still an opinion. Like I said no disrespect to anyone but what Pappy said if he was being real was a bit weird, I don't understand how anyone can be the authority on this issue it is an opinion.

[Pappy Knuckles]

Re: Thoughts on Manual Blitzes?

Yeah, I was being sarcastic. I have no idea who that dude is lol.