MLB 09 The Show Official Box Art

[countryboy]

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before anyone asks...

Alex Rodriguez
Mark Texeira
Josh Hamilton
Hanley Ramirez
Joe Mauer

Ok, lets compare career stats for each of these players to Pujols. We'll use some of the most important categories(at least imo they are)

NOTE:GPA = Average of games player per year & FD% = fielding percentage

I bolded the stats that are better than Pujols

Albert Pujols

YRS: 8
GPA: 154.8
AVG: .334
OBP: .425
SLG: .624
FD%: .991
SB%: 63% (42/71)


Josh Hamilton

YRS: 2
GPA: 123
AVG: .300
OBP: .370
SLG: .538
FD%: .982
SB%: 75% (12/16)

Mark Teixeira

YRS: 6
GPA: 150.6
AVG: .290
OBP: .378
SLG: .541
FD%: .995
SB% 81% (13/16)

Alex Rodriguez

YRS: 15
GPA: 136.1
AVG: .306
OBP: .389
SLG: .578
FD%: .973
SB%: 81% (283/350)

Joe Mauer

YRS: 5
GPA: 112.2
AVG: .317
OBP: .399
SLG: .457
FD%: .996
SB%: 83% (30/36)


Hanley Ramirez

YRS: 4
GPA: 116.7
AVG: .308
OBP: .379
SLG: .527
FD%: .964
SB%: 77% (137/178)


I'm sorry, but I don't see how any of these players could be considered a better player than Pujols. If you have reasons as to why they are, then I'd be interested to hear them.

[SoxFan01605]

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Ok, lets compare career stats for each of these players to Pujols. We'll use some of the most important categories(at least imo they are)

NOTE:GPA = Average of games player per year & FD% = fielding percentage

I bolded the stats that are better than Pujols

Albert Pujols

YRS: 8
GPA: 154.8
AVG: .334
OBP: .425
SLG: .624
FD%: .991
SB%: 63% (42/71)


Josh Hamilton

YRS: 2
GPA: 123
AVG: .300
OBP: .370
SLG: .538
FD%: .982
SB%: 75% (12/16)

Mark Teixeira

YRS: 6
GPA: 150.6
AVG: .290
OBP: .378
SLG: .541
FD%: .995
SB% 81% (13/16)

Alex Rodriguez

YRS: 15
GPA: 136.1
AVG: .306
OBP: .389
SLG: .578
FD%: .973
SB%: 81% (283/350)

Joe Mauer

YRS: 5
GPA: 112.2
AVG: .317
OBP: .399
SLG: .457
FD%: .996
SB%: 83% (30/36)


Hanley Ramirez

YRS: 4
GPA: 116.7
AVG: .308
OBP: .379
SLG: .527
FD%: .964
SB%: 77% (137/178)


I'm sorry, but I don't see how any of these players could be considered a better player than Pujols. If you have reasons as to why they are, then I'd be interested to hear them.

lol...lovin the flood of stats CB I'll pile some on too

His lowest run total in any season: 99 in 07 (averages 118 runs per year)

Career postseason (53 games/189 ABs)

Avg. .323
OBP. .429
SLG. .593


AllStar Games (5 games/14 ABs)

Avg. .429
OBP. .467
SLG. .571

Some splits:

Situational Batting AVG/OBP/SLG.

RISP .344/.474/.671
Bases loaded .378/.368/.678
2 outs .334/.448/.616
Tie Game .321/.421/.612
Late/close .315/.440/.615
Extra Innings .318/.444/.788

He is currently 5th all time in career OPS (1.0489) behind:

1. Babe Ruth
2. Ted Williams
3. Lou Gehrig
4. Barry Bonds

He is currently 4th all time in Slg % (.6238) behind the usual suspects:

1. Ruth
2. Williams
3. Gehrig

Anyway, didn't mean to get sidetracked on stat tracking...lol (what was the thread topic, BTW..j/k)

Point is Albert Pujols is the best hitter today...and stays near the top in almost any situation. Add in the fact that he's an excellent fielder and recognized as a good baserunner as well, and I don't see how you can argue against him to be quite honest.

Anyway, the cover art is nice...lol

[countryboy]

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lol...lovin the flood of stats CB I'll pile some on too

His lowest run total in any season: 99 in 07 (averages 118 runs per year)

Career postseason (53 games/189 ABs)

Avg. .323
OBP. .429
SLG. .593


AllStar Games (5 games/14 ABs)

Avg. .429
OBP. .467
SLG. .571

Some splits:

Situational Batting AVG/OBP/SLG.

RISP .344/.474/.671
Bases loaded .378/.368/.678
2 outs .334/.448/.616
Tie Game .321/.421/.612
Late/close .315/.440/.615
Extra Innings .318/.444/.788

He is currently 5th all time in career OPS (1.0489) behind:

1. Babe Ruth
2. Ted Williams
3. Lou Gehrig
4. Barry Bonds

He is currently 4th all time in Slg % (.6238) behind the usual suspects:

1. Ruth
2. Williams
3. Gehrig

Anyway, didn't mean to get sidetracked on stat tracking...lol (what was the thread topic, BTW..j/k)

Point is Albert Pujols is the best hitter today...and stays near the top in almost any situation. Add in the fact that he's an excellent fielder and recognized as a good baserunner as well, and I don't see how you can argue against him to be quite honest.

Anyway, the cover art is nice...lol

Yeah, I didn't want to overload the circuit or anything...lol


Damn, those stats are impressive. Very impressive.

[JT30]

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Ya I have to agree, I think Pujols is probably the best hitter in baseball.. although Manny might be close.

But as far as the best all around player in baseball? I have to say Arod. The numbers dont lie and he plays the toughest position in the field.

[countryboy]

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Ya I have to agree, I think Pujols is probably the best hitter in baseball.. although Manny might be close.

But as far as the best all around player in baseball? I have to say Arod. The numbers dont lie and he plays the toughest position in the field.

may I ask what numbers?

[AlexBrady]

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I've never understood why people get all bent out of shape over some cover art. Do people really purchase games based on who the coverguy is?

[JT30]

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may I ask what numbers?

I am not gonna compare numbers at the moment, however Pujols is younger and has slightly better offensive numbers. But A-Rod has speed that Pujols lacks, very good offensive numbers, and can play above average to extremely good defense at two different positions. Pujols has also gotten his offensive numbers in a league that has been inferior for at least the last half decade.

[countryboy]

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I am not gonna compare numbers at the moment, however Pujols is younger and has slightly better offensive numbers. But A-Rod has speed that Pujols lacks, very good offensive numbers, and can play above average to extremely good defense at two different positions. Pujols has also gotten his offensive numbers in a league that has been inferior for at least the last half decade.

I just asked what numbers because you said his numbers don't lie.

Yes, A-Rod has speed that Pujols doesn't and A-Rod can play 2 different positions, Pujols has played LF, 3B, and 2B(1 game I believe) in his career, but he's not as versatile as A-Rod, I agree.

But saying that Pujols' numbers are somehow less stellar due to the league he plays in is taking the easy way out in my opinion. You're making it out like the NL has no dominant pitching whatsoever. And I'm sorry, but that simply isn't true, not even close.

[JT30]

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I just asked what numbers because you said his numbers don't lie.

Yes, A-Rod has speed that Pujols doesn't and A-Rod can play 2 different positions, Pujols has played LF, 3B, and 2B(1 game I believe) in his career, but he's not as versatile as A-Rod, I agree.

But saying that Pujols' numbers are somehow less stellar due to the league he plays in is taking the easy way out in my opinion. You're making it out like the NL has no dominant pitching whatsoever. And I'm sorry, but that simply isn't true, not even close.

So you honestly believe that pitching in the NL is as good or better than the AL?

[countryboy]

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So you honestly believe that pitching in the NL is as good or better than the AL?

yes, I believe its as good.

[JT30]

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yes, I believe its as good.

Well then explain to me interleague play and why it has been so lopsided in favor of the AL?

Also explain why despite going against lineups with DHs in them, the AL has a lower ERA this past year, which mirrors the past several years. AL pitchers also give up fewer walks, have a better strikeout-to-walk ratio and allow fewer baserunners per nine innings.

You can argue that the NL has more top pitchers with lower ERAs -- and that's true -- but, again, they're going against lineups with Maddux and Pelfrey and a bunch of other bat-challenged pitchers in them. The NL lineups are simply easier to get through.

[countryboy]

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Well then explain to me interleague play and why it has been so lopsided in favor of the AL?

Also explain why despite going against lineups with DHs in them, the AL has a lower ERA this past year, which mirrors the past several years. AL pitchers also give up fewer walks, have a better strikeout-to-walk ratio and allow fewer baserunners per nine innings.

You can argue that the NL has more top pitchers with lower ERAs -- and that's true -- but, again, they're going against lineups with Maddux and Pelfrey and a bunch of other bat-challenged pitchers in them. The NL lineups are simply easier to get through.

So the AL pitchers face tougher lineups, I don't argue that. I don't argue that interleague play has been the favor of the AL. I don't argue any of the stats/facts that you posted.

But what does any of this have to do with A-Rod vs Pujols and the discussion we were having? You mean to tell me that such pitchers as; Lincecum, Sabathia(Brewers), Sheets, Maddux, Johnson, Santana, Zambrano, Oswalt, and Hamels aren't good simply because they face a lineup that doesn't have a DH? Are you serious?

And just for fun, Pujols has a batting average of .429 in the All-Star game and a .344 batting average in interleague play. So it doesn't seem to matter who's pitching, the man is a terrific hitter.

I don't see where this has any bearing one way or the other on who the better all around player is between A-Rod and Pujols. But hey, nice subject change.

[JT30]

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So the AL pitchers face tougher lineups, I don't argue that. I don't argue that interleague play has been the favor of the AL. I don't argue any of the stats/facts that you posted.

But what does any of this have to do with A-Rod vs Pujols and the discussion we were having? You mean to tell me that such pitchers as; Lincecum, Sabathia(Brewers), Sheets, Maddux, Johnson, Santana, Zambrano, Oswalt, and Hamels aren't good simply because they face a lineup that doesn't have a DH? Are you serious?

And just for fun, Pujols has a batting average of .429 in the All-Star game. So it doesn't seem to matter who's pitching, the man is a terrific hitter.

I don't see where this has any bearing one way or the other on who the better all around player is between A-Rod and Pujols. But hey, nice subject change.

Changing subjects? Huh? You just made a point saying the NL has as good or better pitching than the AL. You also said Pujols doesnt play in an inferior league, when that simply isnt the case. The NL is not even close to the AL.. and the only way we can compare that is by interleague play. So when Arod's number's may not be "as good" as Pujols when it comes to hitting... did you ever think that maybe AL pitching had something had to do with it?

[JT30]

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So the AL pitchers face tougher lineups, I don't argue that. I don't argue that interleague play has been the favor of the AL. I don't argue any of the stats/facts that you posted.

But what does any of this have to do with A-Rod vs Pujols and the discussion we were having? You mean to tell me that such pitchers as; Lincecum, Sabathia(Brewers), Sheets, Maddux, Johnson, Santana, Zambrano, Oswalt, and Hamels aren't good simply because they face a lineup that doesn't have a DH? Are you serious?

And just for fun, Pujols has a batting average of .429 in the All-Star game and a .344 batting average in interleague play. So it doesn't seem to matter who's pitching, the man is a terrific hitter.

I don't see where this has any bearing one way or the other on who the better all around player is between A-Rod and Pujols. But hey, nice subject change.

And if you look at my initial post, I said that Pujols is probably the better hitter between the two and his numbers are fantastic..I am not disputing that... but as far as the best all around player in baseball... Arod has my vote.

[countryboy]

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And if you look at my initial post, I said that Pujols is probably the better hitter between the two and his numbers are fantastic..I am not disputing that... but as far as the best all around player in baseball... Arod has my vote.

I did read your intial post and you said the numbers don't lie that shows that A-Rod is the better all around player. I asked what those numbers were and here we are.