This thread isn't about Kobe, so don't start with that

[youvalss]

I read so many comments on local sports sites, by people (Kobe fans, of course) saying that Kobe doesn't have any good players on his team and that he's the only player who can play there and that the supporting cast doesn't exist.
OK, I admit I'm a Kobe ***** (as you probably know), but again - this thread is not about Kobe, it's about the players on his team. Is it me or the guys saying that are wrong? I mean, Kobe does have a very good supporting cast around him and you can't deny it. I'm just tired of reading comments like "If kobe had better players around him he would have had 3 more titles by now", or "If the Lakers make some trades, they'll have a chance to win a title".

What do you think?

[DC]

Re: This thread isn't about Kobe, so don't start with that

Nobody has said that since Pau has came to LA. Before then and after Shaq it was true

[youvalss]

Re: This thread isn't about Kobe, so don't start with that

Nobody has said that since Pau has came to LA. Before then and after Shaq it was true

People in my country write endless comments even on the Pau era. It's like Pau is Oberto and Bynum is Mihm. You have no idea how ridiculous those commetns are, and it never stops!

[HMcCoy]

Re: This thread isn't about Kobe, so don't start with that

On paper the Lakers supporting cast is hot. In reality tho...Odom and Bynum aren't meeting "on paper" expectations, Fish is getting older by the day, and Radmo, Sasha, and Walton are OK roleplayers at best. On the other hand, Gasol is a legit All-Star PF, Farmer has talent and more...the moxie to thrive under a demanding lead guy, and Ariza is just a year or so from being a really, really good player, IMO.

The Lakers could use an enforcer. As is, their cast is a wee bit overated...but more than enough for "the player we shall not name" to get a ring with.

[youvalss]

Re: This thread isn't about Kobe, so don't start with that

Get Yao, Garnett and Paul on the Lakers and those people would still say the Kobe's supporting cast sucks. It's just amazing how twisted these comments are.

[Bornindamecca]

Re: This thread isn't about Kobe, so don't start with that

On paper the Lakers supporting cast is hot. In reality tho...Odom and Bynum aren't meeting "on paper" expectations, Fish is getting older by the day, and Radmo, Sasha, and Walton are OK roleplayers at best. On the other hand, Gasol is a legit All-Star PF, Farmer has talent and more...the moxie to thrive under a demanding lead guy, and Ariza is just a year or so from being a really, really good player, IMO.

The Lakers could use an enforcer. As is, their cast is a wee bit overated...but more than enough for "the player we shall not name" to get a ring with.

This is a great post. RIght now the Lakers have some GREAT pieces, but too many shooters and not enough physical players. They also don't have a SINGLE player on their team that can create his shot on the perimeter besides Kobe. Once he sits, they are just pass-pass-post. No penetrating PGs or creative SGs/SFs. With Bynum being so focused on offense, they don't have any bigs playing real D.

Because their shooters are very good, they may be able to win despite it, but their lineup has holes. This is not an ideal lineup yet. It's a good lineup, but without any real balance, because all of their best defenders are on the perimeter. Their size and shooting masks their softness.

[Cebby]

Re: This thread isn't about Kobe, so don't start with that

It's not summer 2007.

[Jasong7777]

I thought this was a thread that had been bumped.

[youvalss]

Re: This thread isn't about Kobe, so don't start with that

This is a great post. RIght now the Lakers have some GREAT pieces, but too many shooters and not enough physical players. They also don't have a SINGLE player on their team that can create his shot on the perimeter besides Kobe. Once he sits, they are just pass-pass-post. No penetrating PGs or creative SGs/SFs. With Bynum being so focused on offense, they don't have any bigs playing real D.

Because their shooters are very good, they may be able to win despite it, but their lineup has holes. This is not an ideal lineup yet. It's a good lineup, but without any real balance, because all of their best defenders are on the perimeter. Their size and shooting masks their softness.

"The Machine" usually creates his own shots and Fisher can do it whenever he wants. Farmar is another guy who's capable of creating his shots imo.
Anyway, if you could read some comments here you would think that the Lakers are Minnesota (minus Jefferson) plus Kobe.

[Bornindamecca]

Re: This thread isn't about Kobe, so don't start with that

"The Machine" usually creates his own shots and Fisher can do it whenever he wants. Farmar is another guy who's capable of creating his shots imo.
Anyway, if you could read some comments here you would think that the Lakers are Minnesota (minus Jefferson) plus Kobe.

Giving time to exaggerations like that are silly. The Lakers are a first place team. Clearly they are better than Minnesota from front office all the way down to waterboy.

When you talk about Sasha, Fish and Farmer being able to create their shots, you're flat out wrong. They have no go to game. The closest is Farmar, who is developing, but he has a long way to go before he's even in the class of Bobby Jackson, let alone one of the "Microwave" type 6th men that other championship teams have had.

To put it in perspective, Dallas has Jason Terry coming off of the bench. That man can create his own shot. That's having bench depth.

[Jukeman]

Re: This thread isn't about Kobe, so don't start with that

Shane Battier at SF???

[youvalss]

Re: This thread isn't about Kobe, so don't start with that

Giving time to exaggerations like that are silly. The Lakers are a first place team. Clearly they are better than Minnesota from front office all the way down to waterboy.

When you talk about Sasha, Fish and Farmer being able to create their shots, you're flat out wrong. They have no go to game. The closest is Farmar, who is developing, but he has a long way to go before he's even in the class of Bobby Jackson, let alone one of the "Microwave" type 6th men that other championship teams have had.

To put it in perspective, Dallas has Jason Terry coming off of the bench. That man can create his own shot. That's having bench depth.

Anyway, Sasha can create his own shots as anyone else on this league. As for Jason Terry, yes, he's great, but there are worse players on this league who create their own shots. Oh and btw, Walton is another one who can create his shots.

[Bornindamecca]

Re: This thread isn't about Kobe, so don't start with that

Sasha is averaging six points per game. He makes more than one three per game. 70% of his points are 3s and FTs. That is literally the opposite of creating your own shot.

[billmatic]

Re: This thread isn't about Kobe, so don't start with that

lol @ Sasha creating his own shots.

[jfsolo]

Re: This thread isn't about Kobe, so don't start with that

On paper the Lakers supporting cast is hot. In reality tho...Odom and Bynum aren't meeting "on paper" expectations, Fish is getting older by the day, and Radmo, Sasha, and Walton are OK roleplayers at best. On the other hand, Gasol is a legit All-Star PF, Farmer has talent and more...the moxie to thrive under a demanding lead guy, and Ariza is just a year or so from being a really, really good player, IMO.

The Lakers could use an enforcer. As is, their cast is a wee bit overated...but more than enough for "the player we shall not name" to get a ring with.

This is a great post. RIght now the Lakers have some GREAT pieces, but too many shooters and not enough physical players. They also don't have a SINGLE player on their team that can create his shot on the perimeter besides Kobe. Once he sits, they are just pass-pass-post. No penetrating PGs or creative SGs/SFs. With Bynum being so focused on offense, they don't have any bigs playing real D.

Because their shooters are very good, they may be able to win despite it, but their lineup has holes. This is not an ideal lineup yet. It's a good lineup, but without any real balance, because all of their best defenders are on the perimeter. Their size and shooting masks their softness.

Ahh, insightful basketball analysis, its good to see you again.

lol @ Sasha creating his own shots.

Next I'll be reading that Steve Nash is a lockdown defender, Ben Wallace is automatic from the foul line, Eddie Curry is a glass eating fool, and DeSagana Diop is a deadly spot up shooter from 3 point land.