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[LP]

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Also, don't make excuses for him - dropping 15 pounds in 3 months is not a big deal, I've done that before - I would agree if he was dropping BELOW his natural weight, but he wasn't. moving up in weight would be harder to maintain good cardio/conditioning.

Unless you are (and you may be) an elite level fighter, this example means nothing.

[allBthere]

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Unless you are (and you may be) an elite level fighter, this example means nothing.

I believe that dropping weight only becomes a problem when you go south or below what you reasonably should be in fighting shape. Like Ricky Hatton doesn't have a problem dropping close to 60 pounds! ...it's becaue he doesn't go south of what his body should reasonably be - like Oscar DeLa Hoya did vs packman. Over the course of 3 months dropping close to 20lbs (originally made a bit of typo) is not that crazy for someone who fought his whole career at the lower weight. In fact most of it would be gone after the first month.

now as far as you saying my example means nothing if I'm not an elite level fighter, well that's too bad you feel that way. I hold 2 black belts (got my first at 11yrs) and have done full contact fighting, trained in boxing and muay thai as well as a tiny bit of kung-fu and ju-jitsu, I'm also participate in a few competetive sports and have played w/ my weight over the past year ranging from 205lbs to 169lbs. I think my lived experience 'means' something.

[sven]

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you guys type as if you know everything...GSP would be THE BEST FIGHTER SILVA HAS EVER FACED PERIOD.

GSP imo is stronger than Silva, people say he is as strong as some heavyweights.

you guys have no reason to believe Silva would just 'roll right over him'.

What did Silva do against Cote?? GSP is much better than Cote.

The fact tha Sera knocked him down doesn't mean GSP has a glass jaw either, it doesn't really mean anything. He got caught with a haymaker that would have put Silva down too.

GSP's jaw would shatter against Silva. Cote has better stand up and a better jaw. Rich Franklin would also drop GSP 9 times out of 10. Marquardt also beats GSP most of the time.

Silva would have laughed at that shot Serra hit GSP with.

[allBthere]

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GSP's jaw would shatter against Silva. Cote has better stand up and a better jaw. Rich Franklin would also drop GSP 9 times out of 10. Marquardt also beats GSP most of the time.

Silva would have laughed at that shot Serra hit GSP with.

I don't think it's fair to question someone's jaw on one freak punch...it's the only time i've seen GSP in legit trouble in his whole career.
All your matter-of-fact statements about what this and that guy would do to GSP are bull****.
talkin' out of your ash, it's all very silly especially since gsp's only lost 2wice and his opponents combine win/loss records is probably the best in MMA.

[Pappy Knuckles]

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I don't think it's fair to question someone's jaw on one freak punch...it's the only time i've seen GSP in legit trouble in his whole career.
All your matter-of-fact statements about what this and that guy would do to GSP are bull****.
talkin' out of your ash, it's all very silly especially since gsp's only lost 2wice and his opponents combine win/loss records is probably the best in MMA.

Would you favor GSP in a fight against Silva? If so, why? You seem to be the only person around here who doesn't think Silva would hand him his ***.

[allBthere]

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first I guess I don't put nearly as much weight on gsp's tko loss as the rest of you guys - it doesn't mean he has a glass jaw. Lennox Lewis doesn't have a glass jaw either, nor does jon Fitch, Alves, or Rampage who've all been tko'd (lewis w/ one punch)

second I think GSP can win by any of the 3 methods TKO, Sub, Dec. Tko being the least likely but i still think he'd have a chance.

On the other hand I think it would be nearly impossible for Silva to submit GSP - so that leaves either TKO or decision.

I think GSP has been in way more longer and tougher fights (which build skill and character) and faced by far the better opposition.

Having said all that, as far as strategy, I think Silva's biggest advantage is his height and reach because he throws those beautiful long and straight shots - so how do you get in to strike or take him down, and how do you bang w/ him normally?

I'd like to see GSP throw some lead-leg sidekicks, some with a jab/backfist fake in advance to get more power (silva is open to this at times). This might allow him to land some head shots if he can get silva expecting a kick. This also is needed against silva who is 6'2" while gsp 5'10" (don't know the reach diff).
Another thing Silva does sometimes is cover up and move straight backwards. I think if GSP initiates combos w/ some lateral movement and he can get silva to do this, he can throw some fastballs or take him down.
by the way I think if inside, he could take Silva down almost at will.

Now considering the above, I still think that this is the most closely competetive matchup among the top guys the UFC has ever seen - and yes there are many things Silva can do to expose GSP too.

I however don't see it as an absolute fact that Silva would catch GSP will a KO shot, in fact, I would guess that it would go to a decision most likely. It's a big mistake just to plan on KOing everyone w/ one punch - especially when the majority of the fight could be on the ground.

[LP]

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allBthere,

I hope you didn't interpret my weight comment incorrectly. It wasn't meant to be an ill word towards you. Its just that until you step into the octagon as an elite fighter, against another elite fighter, it is hard to tell what effects dropping weight could have. Everyone's body is different. I'm not saying that it has to be the reason for his performance, but you can't rule it out based on your personal experience.

[Pappy Knuckles]

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I hope there's an option not to have Cecil Peoples judging my fights.

[ImReady77]

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first I guess I don't put nearly as much weight on gsp's tko loss as the rest of you guys - it doesn't mean he has a glass jaw. Lennox Lewis doesn't have a glass jaw either, nor does jon Fitch, Alves, or Rampage who've all been tko'd (lewis w/ one punch)

second I think GSP can win by any of the 3 methods TKO, Sub, Dec. Tko being the least likely but i still think he'd have a chance.

On the other hand I think it would be nearly impossible for Silva to submit GSP - so that leaves either TKO or decision.

I think GSP has been in way more longer and tougher fights (which build skill and character) and faced by far the better opposition.

Having said all that, as far as strategy, I think Silva's biggest advantage is his height and reach because he throws those beautiful long and straight shots - so how do you get in to strike or take him down, and how do you bang w/ him normally?

I'd like to see GSP throw some lead-leg sidekicks, some with a jab/backfist fake in advance to get more power (silva is open to this at times). This might allow him to land some head shots if he can get silva expecting a kick. This also is needed against silva who is 6'2" while gsp 5'10" (don't know the reach diff).
Another thing Silva does sometimes is cover up and move straight backwards. I think if GSP initiates combos w/ some lateral movement and he can get silva to do this, he can throw some fastballs or take him down.
by the way I think if inside, he could take Silva down almost at will.

Now considering the above, I still think that this is the most closely competetive matchup among the top guys the UFC has ever seen - and yes there are many things Silva can do to expose GSP too.

I however don't see it as an absolute fact that Silva would catch GSP will a KO shot, in fact, I would guess that it would go to a decision most likely. It's a big mistake just to plan on KOing everyone w/ one punch - especially when the majority of the fight could be on the ground.

How do you figure this? You act like Silva dont have a REAL black belt in bjj. I wouldn't say GSP faced far better opposition either. Silva had a lot of fights in other countries. Silva has more experience. I think Silva would be too strong for GSP. Watch the Rich Franklin and dan Henderson fight again and you will see that Silva is a bully. It would be a good fight though but GSP has to beat BJ Penn first, which might not happen.

[Pappy Knuckles]

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While GSP has some tools on his feet, he's not exactly a dangerous standup fighter. He lacks KO power (which Silva clearly has) and is and worse striker overall. GSP wins all of his fights by overpowering his opponent. This wouldn't be the case against Anderson. Grabbing Silva would lead to a lot more punishment than he's used to. GSP is a smart, capable fighter, but Silva is just as polished. I don't see him getting overwhelmed by anything GSP would bring. Hopefully the fight goes down at some point, but Alves has a good chance of beating GSP as well. We have a lot of good fights to look forward to.

[allBthere]

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While GSP has some tools on his feet, he's not exactly a dangerous standup fighter. He lacks KO power (which Silva clearly has) and is and worse striker overall. GSP wins all of his fights by overpowering his opponent. This wouldn't be the case against Anderson. Grabbing Silva would lead to a lot more punishment than he's used to. GSP is a smart, capable fighter, but Silva is just as polished. I don't see him getting overwhelmed by anything GSP would bring. Hopefully the fight goes down at some point, but Alves has a good chance of beating GSP as well. We have a lot of good fights to look forward to.

I agree w/ your Anderson comparison as far as striking, but to say he isn't dangerous standing up is going too far. TKO of Hughes, and dropping Fitch at least 3 times as far as I can remember (who has amazing defense while in trouble, and a great chin).

In the BJ fight last night I wished he would have stood more because he was out-jabbing bj and looked good. I actually think GSP's trainers need to convince him that his striking is better than he thinks because I'm not so sure how much confidence he has in his stand up game, but he is better than he himself thinks imo.

I actually think Alves has a better chance of KOing GSP than Anderson Silva because he forces the issue, where Silva isn't as reckless.

This subject had me a bit bitter a couple days ago since a lot of posters act like I'm not allowed, or justified in thinking GSP is better than Silva - like by making my argument anything other than Silva being p4p best makes my opinion obsolete by default. I'm aware of how good Silva is, and think peope have good reasons for thinking he's the best, but I can't get over why people can't even fathom an opinion other than the popular one about p4p.

Not talking about you directly, but I just think that there is no way GSP isn't in the p4p discussion. He has 2 losses and has avenged both w/ some major 'umpf'. His recent wins over extremely good opposition were totally dominant and he's still getting better, yet some posters like Sven act like he doesn't deserve the accolades he's getting.

The glass jaw theory is a joke to me too, I've seen all of his fights...he's been plastered pretty good before, he just got caught in a weird place by Sera (which has a punch w/ all his might). I say 'glass jaw' when someone gets dropped the way Kimbo did w/ that jab he took...not a heavy, total-body overhand right.

Anyway, I'm really hoping Gsp beats Alves so that we all get to see without question the 2 best fighters go at it.

[allBthere]

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How do you figure this? You act like Silva dont have a REAL black belt in bjj. I wouldn't say GSP faced far better opposition either. Silva had a lot of fights in other countries. Silva has more experience. I think Silva would be too strong for GSP. Watch the Rich Franklin and dan Henderson fight again and you will see that Silva is a bully. It would be a good fight though but GSP has to beat BJ Penn first, which might not happen.

gsp isn't a 'real' wrestler either. I've seen those Silva fights, but if you watch gsp's fights you may come to the same conclusion as me - I doubt we will see gsp submitted for the rest of his fighting career. Now I'm assuming you saw the fight last night where he was not vulnerable to a sub for even a nano-second. Me saying he won't get submitted is not a knock on Silva, it's a statement about how good gsp's strengh and defensive technique are.