Whose Ratings Should be Dropped in MLB '09: The Show?

[JeterFan02]

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A-Roid. Now that everyone has their eyes on him, he might have to think twice before he injects himself. Expect his form to slide considerably.

I think all this attention will affect him but if he has been clean like he says he has with the Yankees then it shouldn't matter quite as much!

[dorismary]

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To OP Helton may have been juicing and Im not talking oranges

[Jdurg]

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A-Roid. Now that everyone has their eyes on him, he might have to think twice before he injects himself. Expect his form to slide considerably.

I have trouble seeing how it's going to matter since his last injection was in 2003..........................

[twiztiddarkangelman]

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A-Roid. Now that everyone has their eyes on him, he might have to think twice before he injects himself. Expect his form to slide considerably.

If you look over his whole career in baseball, his stats don't vary that much year to year. What I'm saying is, there isn't a very big spike in his stats, like say for Sosa. Unless you just want to say he's been juicing since high school. I am going out on a limb and say you won't see a big difference in his over all numbers.

[NAFBUC]

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I have to think that AROD will have a down year. He will be under immense pressure to perform this year. Every road game will be a circus, and you know how the NY tabloids sensationalize ARODs every move.

The new info of a steroid dealer (who has been banned by MLB from all team facilities) has been checked into the same hotel as AROD thru 2007 will open additional questions.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090220&content_id=3854654&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

The book coming out in April by Selena Roberts (according to sources that have seen excerpts of the book) will bring more pressure on AROD.

[Jdurg]

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^^^My question is, why the hell is she waiting until April? Oh, that's right. She wants to wait until the public and the media have settled down and gone back to normal, then she will release more stuff out there just to get some attention.

This is the garbage that I hate about this whole steroids crap. Not the players using the steroids, but the media and the "gimme attention" whores who have to make sure that we are always focused on stuipd **** like this.

I want to know about the other 103 names on the list. Why haven't they been "outed"? What this whole thing is doing is telling people that if you are a star you can't use PED's because you'll be outed whether or not your testing was anonymous. If you are a nobody, however, you can keep using PED's because even if you test positive your name will never be outed. I think that is far worse than hearing about the stars using PED's.

If this Selena woman wants to gain my respect, she'll release the names of everybody on that list or spend some time searching for who those people are. Instead, she's just an attention grabbing whore in my eyes.

[Ohpityme]

Players who should have higher ratings:
Nick Markakis
Bobby Abreu
Carlos Beltran
Adrian Beltre
Grady Sizemore
Off the top of my head that is.
I do think Tulo, Verlander and Penny are going to bounce back though...its hard to know with Cano.

[twiztiddarkangelman]

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^^^My question is, why the hell is she waiting until April? Oh, that's right. She wants to wait until the public and the media have settled down and gone back to normal, then she will release more stuff out there just to get some attention.

This is the garbage that I hate about this whole steroids crap. Not the players using the steroids, but the media and the "gimme attention" whores who have to make sure that we are always focused on stuipd **** like this.

I want to know about the other 103 names on the list. Why haven't they been "outed"? What this whole thing is doing is telling people that if you are a star you can't use PED's because you'll be outed whether or not your testing was anonymous. If you are a nobody, however, you can keep using PED's because even if you test positive your name will never be outed. I think that is far worse than hearing about the stars using PED's.

If this Selena woman wants to gain my respect, she'll release the names of everybody on that list or spend some time searching for who those people are. Instead, she's just an attention grabbing whore in my eyes.

First off Ms. Roberts has no say when the book will be released, that's solely in the hands of her publisher. They are releasing like the 16th of April, opening day at the new Stadium. Tacky perhaps, but it makes sure that people are talking about it more.


As for the 103 other names. I haven't heard anywhere where she has those names.
My guess is the Feds are slowly releasing names here, after all besides the players union and baseball itself, the Feds are the only ones who had this list. The Feds would be the only ones with any kind of motive to put names out there.

And finally you can't blame Ms. Roberts for this story. The fault clearly lies at the feet of ARod and all those others who have cheated. For not for their cheating, there would be no scandal or a blackeye for this wonderful sport.

[Jdurg]

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Okay. I agree about the publisher being responsible for the release and believe that it is a horrific bit of timing. Still, it doesn't explain why the public lauds Gaylord Perry and considers him a HOFer when his entire career was based off of blatant cheating and disrespect for the rules, yet guys who use PED's are executed for it?

[twiztiddarkangelman]

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I guess they look at Perry "doctoring" the ball, or Nettles putting "superballs" in his bat, or Sosa using cork in his bat in a different light. I can't speak to what doctoring a bat really does for a hitter, I know first hand if you do things to a baseball you will absolutely cause change in the way it rotates. I think the question is how much do these things effect the game when compared to the drug issue. I just think that they are looked at differently. I mean doctoring bats and balls IMO is looked at almost in amusement by sportscasters when these things have come out. Almost like they were just quirky little things. It seems like the whole drug issue is being taken far more seriously. But ironically, no one in the game or the people reporting the game seemed to mind this was going on until it became a federal case. And this is just my opinion.

[twiztiddarkangelman]

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Oh and BTW. I do look upon cheating as cheating, no matter what form it takes.

[teebee]

Tulo shouldn't be on that list, sure technically his #'s were down last year but he had a bad injury out off spring then broke a bat and stabbed himself in the hand, pretty freak accidenty if you axe me.

Tulo is as sure a thing at SS as you can have, don't let fantasy drafts affect real life logic, the main reason i don't play fantasy (geeky game for bored white people)

[royals_fan_16]

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I have trouble seeing how it's going to matter since his last injection was in 2003..........................

You have to take that with a grain of salt.

[Jdurg]

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I guess they look at Perry "doctoring" the ball, or Nettles putting "superballs" in his bat, or Sosa using cork in his bat in a different light. I can't speak to what doctoring a bat really does for a hitter, I know first hand if you do things to a baseball you will absolutely cause change in the way it rotates. I think the question is how much do these things effect the game when compared to the drug issue. I just think that they are looked at differently. I mean doctoring bats and balls IMO is looked at almost in amusement by sportscasters when these things have come out. Almost like they were just quirky little things. It seems like the whole drug issue is being taken far more seriously. But ironically, no one in the game or the people reporting the game seemed to mind this was going on until it became a federal case. And this is just my opinion.

I think the doctoring of the baseball has the same effect as a batter using PED's. If a pitcher doesn't have as sharp a break on his breaking ball, or much movement on his fastball, by putting junk on the ball he can give it enough extra/late movement to put the ball in a slightly different spot on the hitter's bat. As a result, what would have been a homerun or a sharply hit ground ball becomes a fly ball to the warning track or soft grounder to an infielder. So what should have been basehits against the pitcher become outs.

With doctoring a bat up, you are making the bat lighter which gives you the ability to swing it quicker. F=MV, so the small reduction in mass can provide a greater increase in velocity which results in more force being put on the ball. It allows the batter to wait just a little bit longer before swinging, and as a result he can pick up on the break of a pitch better. Therefore, instead of hitting it a little late, he hits it right on time and gets a basehit he didn't deserve.

I haven't heard any solid reasons out there why cheating using drugs is different than cheating by doctoring the equipment. It's a bit of hypocracy by the media and the general public. At least there are some of us who think of both as "cheating".

Also, to be fully honest, the use of PEDs in modern baseball doesn't really bother me. If a player using these drugs, he's only short-changing himself and his own health. With the rising cost of tickets and watching the game, when I go to a ball game I want to see the best of the best. If they are taking drugs to make themselves better, then I see a better product. It's not the olympics where integrity is far, far more important as you are representing your country and it's a competition of who is the best at that particular event. In professional sports, it's all entertainment. The only people who really have the greatest reason to be pissed about it all are the players who don't take drugs. For those who bet on the game and think that it hurts them, well, you shouldn't be betting on the game.

[dave_sz]

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If a pitcher doesn't have as sharp a break on his breaking ball, or much movement on his fastball, by putting junk on the ball he can give it enough extra/late movement to put the ball in a slightly different spot on the hitter's bat. As a result, what would have been a homerun or a sharply hit ground ball becomes a fly ball to the warning track or soft grounder to an infielder. So what should have been basehits against the pitcher become outs.

but the "juiced" ball doesn't affect what the batter sees. when the average player hits the ball 2.6 times out of 10, it's pretty clear that luck is a big part of it. So whether the ball break more or less, sooner or later is still only half the equation. The batter, his thinking, what he is expecting, is the other half. Actually, roids for pitchers would be the same effect. As far as i'm concerned, pitchers can take all the roids and shrooms and pills and what not as much as they want. I lost my train of thought in there somewhere...