Whose Ratings Should be Dropped in MLB '09: The Show?

**Jdurg** · 02-21-2009, 09:28 PM

Re: Whose Ratings Should be Dropped in MLB '09: The Show?

Originally posted by dave_sz

but the "juiced" ball doesn't affect what the batter sees. when the average player hits the ball 2.6 times out of 10, it's pretty clear that luck is a big part of it. So whether the ball break more or less, sooner or later is still only half the equation. The batter, his thinking, what he is expecting, is the other half. Actually, roids for pitchers would be the same effect. As far as i'm concerned, pitchers can take all the roids and shrooms and pills and what not as much as they want. I lost my train of thought in there somewhere...

Lol. Yup. But with a hitter using "roids", the common argument is that the flyball they normally would have hit would now be going over the wall for a homerun turning an out into a hit. Again, it's the EXACT SAME THING that a pitcher gets when they doctor the ball, and a LOT of pitchers do that. Not as infamously as Gaylord Perry, but subtley by having their catcher scuff up a ball for them, or using their nails to put a little groove in the ball. Again, it's blatant cheating but the media/public seem to accept that.

**SoxFan01605** · 02-21-2009, 09:34 PM

Re: Whose Ratings Should be Dropped in MLB '09: The Show?

Originally posted by dave_sz

but the "juiced" ball doesn't affect what the batter sees. when the average player hits the ball 2.6 times out of 10, it's pretty clear that luck is a big part of it. So whether the ball break more or less, sooner or later is still only half the equation. The batter, his thinking, what he is expecting, is the other half. Actually, roids for pitchers would be the same effect. As far as i'm concerned, pitchers can take all the roids and shrooms and pills and what not as much as they want. I lost my train of thought in there somewhere...

lol

I think the biggest issue with steroids, HGH, etc. is more about longevity in performance rather than enhanced performance itself. The recovery of fatigue, energy boost, sped up healing (and at times, masking) of injuries, allow for longer stretches at peak performance.

Bonds, for example, was a HOF caliber player anyway. His steroid use allowed him to to play at max strength with considerably less performance drop. This would be a bigger contribution to him hitting 73 HRs than just increased strength or a flyball "stretching out," IMO. It's a more spread out and indirect effect in that sense.

It's why you won't see a scrub turn into a star, but you might see a mid-level guy turn into a star for a time. Brady Anderson was a solid enough player. A little steroids on an "up" year (I don't believe the spike was 100% attributed to "juice") and he has 50 HRs. Not saying it's all as black and white as that, but that's the premise, IMO.

All that said, how did all this get started in a "ratings drop" thread?...lol. I must have blacked out for a few pages

**mfbball04** · 02-21-2009, 10:18 PM

Re: Whose Ratings Should be Dropped in MLB '09: The Show?

Originally posted by NikSaban

Back on topic, lol. After seeing David Wright's ratings, some needs tweaking.

yeah but you have to realize, David Wright plays in NY alot of major market teams have alot of overrated players in baseball video games games.. just like real life, example.....ESPN thank god i have MLB Tv and NBA Tv, i can actually see Bucks/Brewers Highlights on those channels...

**EnigmaNemesis** · 02-22-2009, 05:03 AM

Re: Whose Ratings Should be Dropped in MLB '09: The Show?

Originally posted by Jdurg

I have trouble seeing how it's going to matter since his last injection was in 2003..........................

There are new reports that came out saying he may have used as recently as the 07 and 08 seasons.

**twiztiddarkangelman** · 02-22-2009, 08:08 AM

Re: Whose Ratings Should be Dropped in MLB '09: The Show?

Originally posted by EnigmaNemesis

There are new reports that came out saying he may have used as recently as the 07 and 08 seasons.

Well when these are facts get back to us. Maybe a bit of bias here. I'm not a fan of ARod and believe me back in 04 I wished he had gone to the enemy.

**JoeRyan33** · 02-22-2009, 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by JeterFan02

I think all this attention will affect him but if he has been clean like he says he has with the Yankees then it shouldn't matter quite as much!

I don't believe any of his three steroid stories. I'd imagine he's been juicing his whole career.

To the fella that mentioned there being no spike in his career stats, what exactly does that prove? Really very little, and maybe it shows that he's been consistent in his steroid use over a long period of time. I tend to believe he was on the stuff from day one, and the murmurs from his high school days would seem to suggest there's a certain element of doubt about him as far back as then.

If you want to focus on a Sammy Sosa, he was never actually caught or directly linked to anything, never failed a test that we know of. Do I think he was juicing? Having watched him as a Cub fan for years, yes. But you can't put the two of them in the same boat yet. You have to deal with the evidence before you, and the evidence is a failed a test for Primobolan and synthetic testosterone, a few different admissions of guilt, and evidence of a Union warning from Fehr prior to a 2004 test (while he was a Yankee and testing was enforced).

The thread is a little off topic, but I do genuinely believe Alex Rodriguez will slip dramatically in the next few years, especially in his ability to hit for average (which was never really his strong point anyway), as this has long been the trend for the steroid users. This suffers more than the HR/AB numbers. His obvious mental frailties may also hasten his decline.

**TwinsTerritory** · 02-22-2009, 11:46 AM

Re: Whose Ratings Should be Dropped in MLB '09: The Show?

This is more on teams, but the Minnesota Twins just signed Joe Crede, and it looks like they could get Type-A free agent Juan Cruz. Would they move up on overall rankings with these?

**NAFBUC** · 02-22-2009, 01:00 PM

Re: Whose Ratings Should be Dropped in MLB '09: The Show?

Originally posted by TwinsTerritory

This is more on teams, but the Minnesota Twins just signed Joe Crede, and it looks like they could get Type-A free agent Juan Cruz. Would they move up on overall rankings with these?

I really like the Joe Crede signing TT. The Twins have won 4 divisional tiltes since 2002!

**Rod_Carew29** · 02-22-2009, 02:15 PM

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I'll say it one mo' time

EVERYONE'S!

**Jdurg** · 02-22-2009, 02:20 PM

Re: Whose Ratings Should be Dropped in MLB '09: The Show?

BTW, the same trainer that A-Rod was linked to who has been known to give Steroids has also been heavily tied to David Ortiz. So if you believe guilt by association, then David Ortiz is a steroid user. So yes. Let's all use facts before we start jumping to conclusions. All this "it's been said" or "it's been rumored" is all a bunch of hocus-pocus that no-name ******s come up with to try and make a name for themselves. As much as everyone would like to believe that the best player on their rival team is a juicer, until there is evidence of it, it's heresay. What we know with A-Rod is that he used steroids in 2003 according to the tests. There is no evidence at all that it was used at any other time. Only heresay. If you believe that you can convict someone without any evidence, then please get the hell out of my country because I don't EVER want you to have the right to throw someone in jail because they "seemed" guilty.

Also, I think that this talk should go to the regular sports forum and out of the videogames forums. I won't make any more comments on it. I would suggest that the mods clean some of this out of the thread here as it does nothing to contribute to the game.

**hiphopgamer26** · 02-22-2009, 03:43 PM

Re: Whose Ratings Should be Dropped in MLB '09: The Show?

D.Wright's 99 LT contact

**EnigmaNemesis** · 02-23-2009, 09:52 AM

Re: Whose Ratings Should be Dropped in MLB '09: The Show?

Originally posted by Jdurg

BTW, the same trainer that A-Rod was linked to who has been known to give Steroids has also been heavily tied to David Ortiz. So if you believe guilt by association, then David Ortiz is a steroid user. So yes. Let's all use facts before we start jumping to conclusions. All this "it's been said" or "it's been rumored" is all a bunch of hocus-pocus that no-name ******s come up with to try and make a name for themselves. As much as everyone would like to believe that the best player on their rival team is a juicer, until there is evidence of it, it's heresay. What we know with A-Rod is that he used steroids in 2003 according to the tests. There is no evidence at all that it was used at any other time. Only heresay. If you believe that you can convict someone without any evidence, then please get the hell out of my country because I don't EVER want you to have the right to throw someone in jail because they "seemed" guilty.

Also, I think that this talk should go to the regular sports forum and out of the videogames forums. I won't make any more comments on it. I would suggest that the mods clean some of this out of the thread here as it does nothing to contribute to the game.

Great sensational words. HEAVILY?

On the rest, I agree, but fool me one, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

MLB should be ashamed, and their fraternity of BS needs to stop. Release everyone's names, and stop sweeping superstars and saviors under the radar. They know who is doing and who is not.

**GoBucs09** · 02-23-2009, 05:46 PM

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I blame Bud Selig and the lack of a Team Salary Cap for the Steroids issues facing baseball today.<O

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My top 5 culprits for the current steroid problems today.<O

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#5. The Players, cheating is cheating, have respect for yourself and the game you play, although making hundreds of millions of dollars would tempt me to cheat too.<O

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#4. The Media, way to ignore things for so long until you realized you could make some money off it.<O

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#3. The Owners, for not holding players to higher standards and leading the way for standard drug testing and a team salary cap.<O

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#2. Lack of a salary cap, if the most any player could make was say 10 or 15 million a year then maybe players wouldn’t be tempted to try anything to get rich quick. If there wasn't that temptation and they still cheated then the players would deserve far more blame. Seriously though there are people who do a lot worse in this world than cheat at a game for a hell of a lot less then these guys make.<O

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#1. Bud Selig, this guy had every opportunity to do something back in the 90's but sat on it. Everything that has happened this decade is his doing and rests solely on his shoulders.

Notice how the owners, Selig and the media kinda play it off and try to get the fans attention on the players and whether there should be a * next to their stats or if they should get into the hall of fame?<O

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**twiztiddarkangelman** · 02-23-2009, 06:28 PM

Re: Whose Ratings Should be Dropped in MLB '09: The Show?

Hell with an arestik in the record books. On their HOF plaque in bold letters above the name it should simply read.. . "JUICER!"

**careyevan** · 02-23-2009, 08:29 PM

Re: Whose Ratings Should be Dropped in MLB '09: The Show?

after looking at the top LFers in the game ALOU needs to really be dropped.

Whose Ratings Should be Dropped in MLB '09: The Show?

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