2009 Chicago Bears Den

[Jistic]

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WR's are the most dependant players on the field. So to say one is going to be better then another one before knowing who they will be drafted by is foolish.

Not as foolish as that statement.

You've just said that it doesn't matter who you draft at WR. IT's the system? Really? You're sticking with that?

Yeah, tell Detroit that.

[USF11]

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Not as foolish as that statement.

You've just said that it doesn't matter who you draft at WR. IT's the system? Really? You're sticking with that?

Yeah, tell Detroit that.

Yeah anybody the bears draft to play WR will not live up to there potential given their current system.

Alot of Calvins big plays last year came in garbage time. Put Calvin on the Pats and he would score 20 TD's.

[Jistic]

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Yeah anybody the bears draft to play WR will not live up to there potential given their current system.

Alot of Calvins big plays last year came in garbage time. Put Calvin on the Pats and he would score 20 TD's.

But stats don't tell ability. Would Jerry Rice not be great if he played on different team than the Niners back in the day?

Systems bloat numbers, but not ability.

[USF11]

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But stats don't tell ability. Would Jerry Rice not be great if he played on different team than the Niners back in the day?

Systems bloat numbers, but not ability.

Thats my point! Put Jerry Rice on the Tampa Bay Bucs during the 80's and he might not even be a pro bowler. The answer to the bears problems is not drafting a playmaker. Its overhauling the system and expectations of the team. Only then will offenses playmakers matter.

[ThreeKing]

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You guys are actually agreeing with each other while arguing.

BTW, I still say we take DHB.

[Jistic]

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Thats my point! Put Jerry Rice on the Tampa Bay Bucs during the 80's and he might not even be a pro bowler. The answer to the bears problems is not drafting a playmaker. Its overhauling the system and expectations of the team. Only then will offenses playmakers matter.

C'mon man, dude was a pro bowler at age 40! 40!

On the Raiders, 92 catches, 1200 yards...at 40.

When you're great, you're great. Walter Payton showed he was great for years on some Bear teams that make our current one look like a contender.

I judge players by the eye test. 40 times are neat, stats are too. But you can see it when guys have that "It" factor. I don't see it in Bey. I see a workout warrior, with not a lot of upside. A guy like that will perish here.

I even like Nicks better.

I'd take Bey in the 2nd round, but he'll be gone by then obviously. Teams are usually seduced by workouts. Notice how you rarely see teams like the Patriots or Steelers take guys like that though.

[Dice]

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Wrong.

They'll both be better than him.

I'd frankly take any of the three, but you're right Angelo won't.

I think they're going OT again. Which is also a need. BUt at this point, we're rebuilding.

They should have started rebuilding last year.

[USF11]

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C'mon man, dude was a pro bowler at age 40! 40!

On the Raiders, 92 catches, 1200 yards...at 40.

When you're great, you're great. Walter Payton showed he was great for years on some Bear teams that make our current one look like a contender.

I judge players by the eye test. 40 times are neat, stats are too. But you can see it when guys have that "It" factor. I don't see it in Bey. I see a workout warrior, with not a lot of upside. A guy like that will perish here.

I even like Nicks better.

I'd take Bey in the 2nd round, but he'll be gone by then obviously. Teams are usually seduced by workouts. Notice how you rarely see teams like the Patriots or Steelers take guys like that though.

I hate the idea of drafting a player like Nicks who wasn't even the top rated WR on his team before his breakout bowl game. Bey will be a Top 20 pick based off his combine imo.

If I was the bears I make a play for Tory Holt on a 1-2 year deal which wouldnt cost you much at all and work on improving my pass rush and safety play in the draft.

Thats if I was trying to win this year. If the plan is rebuilding then that idea is out the window.

[Dice]

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I'd like to introduce to you the newest member of the Chicago Bears. Josh Bullock:
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Looks like it's going to be a long season.

[Jistic]

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That's our bargain basement Bears. Woot!

[Altimus]

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I don't even know what to say Alt.

Yeah I know but look how Benson was running in Cincinnati. I think Forte and Benson under a solid o-line would make a great 1-2 punch.

And Bradley, as someone mentioned, he couldn't stay healthy but when he was healthy, the Bears didn't play him. Bears just don't know how to utilize receivers.

[Altimus]

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That's our bargain basement Bears. Woot!

Video is gone but I don't need to see it to know it was a bad signing.

[USF11]

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Yeah I know but look how Benson was running in Cincinnati. I think Forte and Benson under a solid o-line would make a great 1-2 punch.

And Bradley, as someone mentioned, he couldn't stay healthy but when he was healthy, the Bears didn't play him. Bears just don't know how to utilize receivers.

Benson in Cincy wasnt very good at all on a ypc basis.

[poster]

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I have no idea what this organization is doing at the moment. I will try to stay positive, but it is hard.

I also have no idea as to the truth of the stuff coming out of Denver. That being said there seems to be a major issue there. From the moment it came out, I was hopeful they would make a play for Cutler. I would trade two #1's right now in a heartbeat to get a real franchise QB.

This garbage about we have a QB and we don't want to hurt his feelings is absolutely unreal to hear as a fan of this team. I have no confidence that they care about winning. NONE. This would at least show me they are trying. I am not getting my hopes up at all, but please Angelo wake up and just try to make a play for him.

It's funny Minnesota signed Rosenfels (sp?) to a two year deal to come in and compete for the job. The minute the Cutler news first came out, they were the first to call. They have two QB's to compete for the job, but they both suck. So they didn't hesitate as they seem to care about winning. Meanwhile we worry about hurting a grown man's feelings. Gee, I thought this was PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL.

Wake the **** up you sorry disgraceful organization and do something for your fans who have to stand by and take in this garbage year after year.

[ChiSox05]

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I agree that we need to make a move for Cutler but I dont think we need to give two #1s for him, I am really not sure what it would take but I would like to see it happen.