Madden NFL 10 Blog: Player Momentum

[adembroski]

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I agree wholeheartedly with what Guillotine 1 is saying.
I mean imagine, you running torward a wall and you have 2 choices. Plant and turn right or left. If upon planting my right foot in front of me and then proceeding to turn right, my head would smack into the wall. If your right foot was in front of you your natural instinct would be to turn left. If you really wanted to turn right, you would plant your left foot. Anyone who doesn't understand that logic and think athletes can do it easily with about 14 pounds worth of gear on should try it...video it and put it on youtube

The wall isn't trying to catch you.

[shttymcgee]

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Additionally, a torn ACL has little to do with turning/twisting. ACL injuries happen when forward/downward momentum is abruptly stopped with the forefoot (could happen in the air with enough force put onto the lower leg).

MCL injuries happen when the knee collapses "inward" toward the bodies midline and of course aren't repaired anymore any way if one's is torn.

I understand what you're getting at with your critiques of changing of direction, you're just exaggerating a little too much.

Changing direction animations should be numerous, and since they're motion-capped, as long as they don't alter them too much, they should have at least been demonstrated by a living human.

[raphael]

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that's some sexy stuff, defenitely adds to the realism.

[adembroski]

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You know, I didn't notice it at first, but Ian seems to have opened up to something.

This is from a while ago... during a conversation regarding the sprint button and the concept of getting rid of it, which I'm am vehemently against, by the way, he said something to the effect of, "It doesn't matter, everyone just lays on the sprint button anyways." (to which my response is, "well, yeah, that's part of the problem with Madden.")

Anyways, in this blog, in says the following.

You need to read your blockers, wait for holes to open up, and stop holding the sprint button the entire time if you want to successfully run the ball.

Very nice... way to rethink it, Ian. Glad you're open minded like that.

Not saying he still wouldn't ditch the sprint button, but at least he recognized the "everyone laying on sprint button" as not the sprint button's fault, but the fact that it doesn't handicap you like it should.

Part of the game of football- especially the running game- is knowing when to turn on the juice. Lots of backs with all kinds of talent never make it because they're impatient. They wanna hit the jets and go. The use of the sprint button should be a tactical decision on the part of the player, to be used when warranted, but a handicap when misused.

[Exonerated]

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You know, I didn't notice it at first, but Ian seems to have opened up to something.

This is from a while ago... during a conversation regarding the sprint button and the concept of getting rid of it, which I'm am vehemently against, by the way, he said something to the effect of, "It doesn't matter, everyone just lays on the sprint button anyways." (to which my response is, "well, yeah, that's part of the problem with Madden.")

Anyways, in this blog, in says the following.



Very nice... way to rethink it, Ian. Glad you're open minded like that.

Not saying he still wouldn't ditch the sprint button, but at least he recognized the "everyone laying on sprint button" as not the sprint button's fault, but the fact that it doesn't handicap you like it should.

Part of the game of football- especially the running game- is knowing when to turn on the juice. Lots of backs with all kinds of talent never make it because they're impatient. They wanna hit the jets and go. The use of the sprint button should be a tactical decision on the part of the player, to be used when warranted, but a handicap when misused.

Yes. This is why track athletes do not make good running backs. They're always on the jets.

[SomeStrangeSin]

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The whole running animation looks different....NOICE!!

Looks a ton smoother.

really i thought it still looked like madden 09s robotic running? maybe ian can tell us if hes fixed the running animation.

[K_GUN]

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I LOVED this blog! It is precisely what was needed... it really makes agility, more than speed per say, matter.... I was playing madden 09 on the ps2 the other day and noticed how much i missed that turn radius... it makes all the players move MUCH more realistically.... gracias

is that the effect of trying to turn a battleship?....a sluggish response when sweeping outside?...hopefully it's not like that

[TheWatcher]

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Madden 09, loose and risky



Tight and secure

Notice how the ball is tighter to the body in the second pic. In the first pic, it's just asking for a strip. If he were Walter Payton (who never had sound carrying fundamentals, but it didn't seem to stop him!) I wouldn't worry, but nobody is Walter Payton.

Most backs today carry very tight because defensive coaches are teaching almost religiously to go for the strip. Willis McGahee is probably the best model of that tighter hold.

P.S. Thanks to 83Evans for the picture examples.

[KG]

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We should be callin you that with all that stuff you said you did in your previous post

I thought the same thing. I was digging what Guillotine was saying until he posted his feats of strength.

I agree with his statement thought that if you try a "full blown" cut pivoting off your inside foot you will reap the physical damages. Seriously, just back away from your monitor/laptop/etc and walk through the motions pivoting off your inside foot. You will notice how unnatural it feels. Now, imagine doing that running at a much faster pace. Turns on the other hand are much different.

That pic posted of Barry was definately a jump-cut though. He was famous for those.

[Tyrant8RDFL]

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I want to work through this openly, so we all understnad what were getting, expecting, and what Ian is doing. This way the results will be what we all want.


When I looked at the runner running in those videos, it didn't look, or seem to feel real or right. In my humble opinion, the runner was on the wrong foot at times. He would lean, step, turn on his pivot feet going the other way, and then the correct leg would move and the cooresponding foot would hit the ground.

He runner never put his head up, shoulders back, and strided through his max speed with a sprinters form.

Go back, watch the tape. This is good, but....nevermind...

Homie Just remember it did state it was Work in Progress, so why comment on it as if it was the final version.

I hear what your saying but he is giving us bits and pieces, and its only March , which is far from anything being final.

Lets wait till July than make comments on what we see, but in March it's way to soon and it's not fair.

[Derrville]

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I dont think people should defend Ian with its only March crap. He nev..... nevermind.

[thejake]

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I tend to think that he is getting these wider turns by kind of rotating the stick around the circle. I'm thinking that if you jam the stick from up to right real quickly, that will probably trigger a cut animation where you still turn 90 degrees but lose some speed. Just a guess.

[S1ARk5]

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Man I am really not trying to bash Ian and the rest of the guys at work on Madden but really I saw hardly any major difference between the two animatiosn 09 & 10. This is why I still think EA does not get it, really these new animations will make no difference in making madden a more realsitic game and the game we wall want to recreate what we see on sunday. I mean both animations are just HORRID in my humble opinion.

I think the whole problem with the Madden team is that they do not realize Madden NEEDS a complete overhaul in the running machanics to even have these "new" animations matter.

This is what Im supposed to get excited about? boy it is going to another long summer for football gaming. Lets hope NCAA actually comes through.

[Phobia]

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These changes, along with the game speed changes, have made major strides in giving Madden that extra layer of a 'thinking man's game'. For the future vision of Madden, we want a football coach that's never played Madden before to be able to take down a Madden Challenge competitor...and these are some of the steps to get us to that goal.

When this happens it will be the greatest day for Madden. It will mean Madden has finally become the sim we all hope it will become.

With that said I am extremely pumped for madden this year. I have not purchased Madden since 05. But Ian you have my pre-order already. This is the kind of work that will make me want to support Madden. With a realism goal in mind, I will gladly support the cause. Thanks for the more (NFL2k5) approach!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[roadman]

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I dont think people should defend Ian with its only March crap. He nev..... nevermind.

Your right. It's only St. Patricks Day.