NCAA Football 10 Blog: Pocket Protection

[TheTodd84]

EDIT FROM ABOVE: This is actually the functioning link:

http://athleticenterprises.com/helmetRevolutionIQ.html

[TheTodd84]

so even if they are not right on the players, just add in the two standard helmets they are missing to be added to players we want when we edit them.

[jdrhammer]

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EA once made a college basketball game without a SEASON MODE. I tend to not put anything past any dev company.

The PSP version of MLB The shows lacks umps. So yea, you can do this and it takes away from the visual experience in each.

I bought that NCAA Hoops game and to say i was pissed would be putting it mildly.

[md0t]

for the past 3 years i have been drinking the ncaa football improvement kool-aid...not this year. yeah those still shots looks nice...but show me a game that plays as good as those stills look.

now that i think about it, it's good to see that i will finally be able to stay in the pocket to make a decent pass but it doesn't prove that a fat assed DT won't reject 75% of my throws either...and it will just help the bums that like to run with the QB on every down even more so because it gives the receivers time to run defenders further downfield...like i said the pictures are nice but screw the graphics - step up the gameplay.....or at least bring back the mechanics of 07

[rhombic21]

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Some people want both the gameplay and atmosphere that match the game that is being simulated on their video game system. I know, that is crazy talk.

The rest of your post is ridiculous and not worth getting into, but I just want to talk about this briefly. The idea that a game without refs on the field can't have great atmosphere or presentation is beyond stupid. Adam said that those guys spent time working on other things. Have you ever taken the time to consider the fact that those other things might have an impact on your precious atmosphere and presentation?

BTW, in case you don't realize, EA also owns and makes Madden, so your entire "business school wanna be" drivel about profit margins makes almost no sense at all. It's in Madden and not in NCAA because there are other things that the NCAA team decided to budget their time towards. And given how minor refs on the field are in terms of the gameplay experience, I think that it's pretty hard to get worked up about that decision.

[MorePlays445]

I just want more plays. The avg team has at least 400 plays I don't see why NCAA or Madden can't have more plays. Also I want real plays that the teams use. Come on your in the huddle only your team will know what ur calling. How many plays do they have for 1 formation and package...a lot.

[JAYMO76]

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While the gameplay stuff is shared, the refs are a rendering issue that is part of the game team's budget handled by the engineers that specialize in graphics. We needed these guys to do something else this year.

Thank you for the answer. I didn't realise that refs were not something that could be shared. Fingers crossed that your team has focussed on other issues like FORMATION SUBS & FCS & PRE-GAME SHOWS.

[bmdsooner]

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The rest of your post is ridiculous and not worth getting into, but I just want to talk about this briefly. The idea that a game without refs on the field can't have great atmosphere or presentation is beyond stupid. Adam said that those guys spent time working on other things. Have you ever taken the time to consider the fact that those other things might have an impact on your precious atmosphere and presentation?

BTW, in case you don't realize, EA also owns and makes Madden, so your entire "business school wanna be" drivel about profit margins makes almost no sense at all. It's in Madden and not in NCAA because there are other things that the NCAA team decided to budget their time towards. And given how minor refs on the field are in terms of the gameplay experience, I think that it's pretty hard to get worked up about that decision.

Ridiculous? Like the part where I showed that you put words in my mouth? Yea, I think I would ignore that too.

Last I checked Madden is still missing things from the current gen model that people to this day are requesting. My point is pretty straightforward. A bigger budget allows for things like more manpower and dev time. Pretty simple stuff and it makes perfect sense. I would also bet that one game has a slightly bigger budget than the other, in part to one selling more than double than the other. Coming into year 4 of the NCAA series on the 360, me thinks the refs were due. Along with many other things.

The refs are minor to you, great. To others they bring an important aspect in the presentation. Not everything has to do with GAMEPLAY. If gameplay was the only issue then Tiburon should go back to the old Atari Arcade football mentality. Think of how much they would save on modeling players, animations and the equipment involved. Why that is all presentation fluff anyway. All that time could be spent on perfecting the gameplay.

Here you go OMT. Just add a few more X's and o's and concentrate on the GAMEPLAY. Also you might need to get MS to release a trackball controller for the ultimate experience.





I call dibs on "X."

[thudias]

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One extreme to the other...no middle ground with you guys...jeesh!

[bmdsooner]

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if gameplay is poor, nothing else matters. You can have presentation as great as what you see on ESPN every weekend, but the if gameplay is boring, well then the game becomes boring.

Too late with the edit CB. Were you also not the one that switched over to the PS2 versions of these games? Maybe it was someone else? I just recall a few threads on this previously and I do not recall gameplay being the sole reason for this transformation.

Correct me if I am wrong but Madden for example is a game where the presentation was the biggest gripe. I realize there are plenty of gameplay issues but that is an area I see the most complaints. It is why I could not keep it for more than a week. Watching the paint dry on my wall was more enthralling.

It goes both ways. Like I said before and will once again, is it wrong to ask for BOTH? Most dev teams have certain people who work on the presentation side and others working on the gameplay side.

NCAA09 was never boring for me on the gameplay end. While the gameplay is broken in some areas I still enjoy playing the game. I do not have to create house rules, tinker with sliders until my hands are numb, to enjoy a game. There will always be limitations to video games because they are just that, GAMES. Show me a perfect game (gameplay wise) and plenty of people show you where you have not tried hard enough to find it's flaws.

I just get irked at all the stuff that continues to be left out of the game that were in last gen games. I get more irked when remove stuff like dynamic lighting/shadows out of the game.

Heck, I am enjoying MLB2K9 and College Basketball 09 even with all their faults, shoot me now.

[rhombic21]

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Here you go OMT. Just add a few more X's and o's and concentrate on the GAMEPLAY. Also you might need to get MS to release a trackball controller for the ultimate experience.

Serious question here. What would you rate NCAA Football 09 on a scale of 1-100? Now imagine that everything else about the game was exactly the same, but it had on-field refs and a chain gang. What would you rate it then?

[countryboy]

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Too late with the edit CB. Were you also not the one that switched over to the PS2 versions of these games? Maybe it was someone else? I just recall a few threads on this previously and I do not recall gameplay being the sole reason for this transformation.

Correct me if I am wrong but Madden for example is a game where the presentation was the biggest gripe. I realize there are plenty of gameplay issues but that is an area I see the most complaints. It is why I could not keep it for more than a week. Watching the paint dry on my wall was more enthralling.

It goes both ways. Like I said before and will once again, is it wrong to ask for BOTH? Most dev teams have certain people who work on the presentation side and others working on the gameplay side.

NCAA09 was never boring for me on the gameplay end. While the gameplay is broken in some areas I still enjoy playing the game. I do not have to create house rules, tinker with sliders until my hands are numb, to enjoy a game. There will always be limitations to video games because they are just that, GAMES. Show me a perfect game (gameplay wise) and plenty of people show you where you have not tried hard enough to find it's flaws.

I just get irked at all the stuff that continues to be left out of the game that were in last gen games. I get more irked when remove stuff like dynamic lighting/shadows out of the game.

Heck, I am enjoying MLB2K9 and College Basketball 09 even with all their faults, shoot me now.

I'm out of this conversation.

[bmdsooner]

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Serious question here. What would you rate NCAA Football 09 on a scale of 1-100? Now imagine that everything else about the game was exactly the same, but it had on-field refs and a chain gang. What would you rate it then?

81.784513458153138465456445612462168486413242 (with)
81.156465156464564654984561545645645645645644 (w/o)

Seriously? You want me to rate the game on a numerical scale? You do realize that the concept of rating things with a numeric is done to amuse those too lazy to read a review, right? Outside of that it's best use is for people to use scores to arbitrarily rant about how their game with an 87.9% average is better than the other game with an 86.2 average.

I mean really what in the heck are you asking here. This is what you construe as a serious question?

[bmdsooner]

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I'm out of this conversation.

Thanks for the update.

[rhombic21]

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So, what you really meant to say there is that refs and chain gangs were too small of a feature to affect your score in any substantial way.

Given this fact, I am baffled that you are so upset that they aren't in the game.

Look, I'm not saying that presentation and graphics aren't important. They are. What I'm saying is that refs and chain gangs are such a ridiculously small part of those categories that almost nobody would substantially change their opinion of the game one way or the other based on whether or not they were included. Think about other presentation items, like commentary, field textures, player models, animations, replay angles, etc...Those things ARE big enough factors that if they were missing, people would be able to express a difference in their opinion about the quality of the game.

The fact of the matter is that no matter what you think about NCAA 09 (or 10), the inclusion or exclusion of referees on the field would not make any sort of substantial impact on your opinion of the game.