Why I'm Done With NBA Basketball This Year: NBA 2K9

[lasthour]

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I say simplify the gameplay to give the game its fun back. I would rather have a game that played to each team's key strengths on offense and defense in say about ten categories. Turn the game into a lite chess match with believable plays, realistic stat control and BALANCED GAMEPLAY.

SF4, LOW, COD 4 in a basketball or football game for the WIN!

[totalownership]

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Well said DC well said on all points.

Furthermore, or rather, specifically in MY case I've been attacking the game all the while people have been attacking ME. A few people here have made it a mission to do so. Up until now I've been pretty much ignoring it, for the most part. I don't think we want to go that route so I suggest everyone keep it about the game. If you're not adult enough to do that I suggest you move on.

So let this be the last of the personal attacks. The last.

[GSW]

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Yeah I didn't phrase that correctly. I think they do make an effort to make the game more appealing to a wider audience, but on some level that has to be expected. And would be expected of most games I would think

MLB The Show doesnt do that though.

[totalownership]

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MLB The Show doesnt do that though.

Neither does Forza 2.

[spankdatazz22]

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Well said DC well said on all points.

Furthermore, or rather, specifically in MY case I've been attacking the game all the while people have been attacking ME. A few people here have made it a mission to do so. Up until now I've been pretty much ignoring it, for the most part. I don't think we want to go that route so I suggest everyone keep it about the game. If you're not adult enough to do that I suggest you move on.

So let this be the last of the personal attacks. The last.

lol it was about the game - and your contradictions about it. As I said: if you hate it, fine. But implying the game has no redeeming value while trying to prove your point by saying you play the 5,6,7 times a day - because of friends - is a contradiction imo. All I did was point that out; it wasn't an attack. It's a message board; if you're going to make statements then you expect someone might respond to something you say

[totalownership]

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lol it was about the game - and your contradictions about it. As I said: if you hate it, fine. But implying the game has no redeeming value while trying to prove your point by saying you play the 5,6,7 times a day - because of friends - is a contradiction imo. All I did was point that out; it wasn't an attack. It's a message board; if you're going to make statements then you expect someone might respond to something you say

I have no problem with someone asking a question but when I've already answered it's a done deal. Case closed. I answered it and explained the reasoning behind the answer. In reality I didn't need to answer squat, as you said, message board not court of law, but once I explained where i was coming from that should have settled it. We all do things for family and friends that we don't always want to do.

[spankdatazz22]

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MLB The Show doesnt do that though.

Not sure what that means. That every game needs to be the same? I would think the bottom line for all of these developers is to be profitable. From what I understand, NBA2K9 did well in terms of the units sold, better than it had in years previous. They seem to know what they're doing and have a grasp of what they're doing with the game. I understand it unnerves some people here because all of a sudden people expect reassurances or some sort of acknowledgement of a game's direction. As I've said, I guess because I'm not hardcore basketball fan enough I don't see this drastic "SIM to Arcade" turn some of you feel they've taken. I enjoy the game immensely, as I did last year's and the year before's.

If you were successful at doing something would you change simply because someone else told you to? Shouldn't they be at least given the chance to fail, instead of people assuming that will be the case? Haven't they earned the chance to fail? If The Show had an off year because of [something they did with the game] - haven't they earned the chance to fail? Of course no one wants to see any of them fail. But they've been making good decisions and progressing the game along nicely on their own. I would think it would earn them some benefit of the doubt

[totalownership]

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Not sure what that means. That every game needs to be the same? I would think the bottom line for all of these developers is to be profitable. From what I understand, NBA2K9 did well in terms of the units sold, better than it had in years previous. They seem to know what they're doing and have a grasp of what they're doing with the game. I understand it unnerves some people here because all of a sudden people expect reassurances or some sort of acknowledgement of a game's direction. As I've said, I guess because I'm not hardcore basketball fan enough I don't see this drastic "SIM to Arcade" turn some of you feel they've taken. I enjoy the game immensely, as I did last year's and the year before's.

If you were successful at doing something would you change simply because someone else told you to? Shouldn't they be at least given the chance to fail, instead of people assuming that will be the case? Haven't they earned the chance to fail? If The Show had an off year because of [something they did with the game] - haven't they earned the chance to fail? Of course no one wants to see any of them fail. But they've been making good decisions and progressing the game along nicely on their own. I would think it would earn them some benefit of the doubt

They've worn out their chances starting around 2K7 or should I say 180 dollars ago.

[spankdatazz22]

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We all do things for family and friends that we don't always want to do.

ummmm... okay lol

I don't necessarily agree w/the Forza 2 analogy. A true driving SIM is Gran Turismo. But many (including me) don't find Gran Turismo enjoyable because it's too sim. It's to the point where it's too realistic and no longer fun. Of course for some, that's what they want. And it's a popular game, no doubt. But not everyone wants that extreme sim experience. Forza's a good example of a game that has a lot of simulation elements, but isn't so much of a sim that it becomes overbearing imo.

As with The Show. I played the demo on my PS3 and you can feel the polish that went into the game. That said, I have more fun playing MLB2K9 - flaws and all. Perhaps because I'm not a big enough baseball fan to appreciate all the minute details they've put into The Show. Either way I'm just saying - I don't think everything needs to be essentially the same. There will be a market for The Show just as there's a market for MLB2K. Just as there's one for Forza and one for Gran Turismo

[spankdatazz22]

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They've worn out their chances starting around 2K7 or should I say 180 dollars ago.

Was it your cousin or your uncle that gave you NBA2K9

sorry, couldn't resist

[Rocky]

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MLB The Show doesnt do that though.

If you think NBA2K9 hasn't changed since the last gen, than The Show hasn't changed AT ALL since the last gen. No reason why we should still be using the same dated and simplistic mechanics and control schemes that was used in the old gen. It is especially apparent online. However, the ease of the controls helps casual gamers immensely.

ALL games try to appeal to a broader audience. That's why they created sliders and 2KShare for us.

The main thing 2K9 is guilty of is band-aiding the defensive AI(which was MUCH worse last year) and not telling us what the sliders and adjustments do (simply bad PR).

[GSW]

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If you think NBA2K9 hasn't changed since the last gen, than The Show hasn't changed AT ALL since the last gen. No reason why we should still be using the same dated and simplistic mechanics and control schemes that was used in the old gen. It is especially apparent online. However, the ease of the controls helps casual gamers immensely.

ALL games try to appeal to a broader audience. That's why they created sliders and 2KShare for us.

The main thing 2K9 is guilty of is band-aiding the defensive AI(which was MUCH worse last year) and not telling us what the sliders and adjustments do (simply bad PR).

he was saying the company keeps it ARCADE liek to appeal to the masses.

and MLB The Show doesnt do that.

Your not hitting an unrealistic amoutn of homeruns, or stealing bases, or getting an insane amount of hits, and triples, or striking out a zillion guys in the Show to appeal to a broader base...

why would i buy the show then, id just play The bigs 2.

Liek i was tellin my man... I want NBA 2k to be a sim as it was my favorite basketball game/favorite game period thru the years... but its not getting to that point, nor have steps been made in the last 4 years to get to that point...

That is OKAY...weve had Inside Drive, and now NBA Live appears to be going in that direction..

both sides can be happy... just like MLB 2k9 fans, vs The Show fans.

just because i say its "ARCADE" doesnt mean im saying its a terrible game, or that its bad.. i just cant personally get in to it as much as i prefer more realism than "video game"...

[spankdatazz22]

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Just wanted to clarify - I've tweaked MLB2K9 to play realistically so I get accurate hit/pitch counts. I don't enjoy slapping a zillion homeruns or stealing ten times a game. Nor do I enjoy 5pitch innings. It's 2K's approach to the game that's appealing. I don't know much about the accuracy of the batter walkups and stances, but I enjoy them and enjoy the various camera options they give. With NBA2K9, I've tweaked the sliders to give me realistic shooting percentages. I'm no different than DC in not wanting to see windmill dunks occur in traffic with frequency in games. But I'm not to the point where I'm counting the dunks to make sure they don't exceed the league average. I play the games because I want a realistic experience. But there are varying degrees between something being deemed SIM and something being deemed ARCADE imo, at least by the definition some are putting out there. I don't think it's an either/or issue.

[totalownership]

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ummmm... okay lol

I don't necessarily agree w/the Forza 2 analogy. A true driving SIM is Gran Turismo. But many (including me) don't find Gran Turismo enjoyable because it's too sim. It's to the point where it's too realistic and no longer fun. Of course for some, that's what they want. And it's a popular game, no doubt. But not everyone wants that extreme sim experience. Forza's a good example of a game that has a lot of simulation elements, but isn't so much of a sim that it becomes overbearing imo.

As with The Show. I played the demo on my PS3 and you can feel the polish that went into the game. That said, I have more fun playing MLB2K9 - flaws and all. Perhaps because I'm not a big enough baseball fan to appreciate all the minute details they've put into The Show. Either way I'm just saying - I don't think everything needs to be essentially the same. There will be a market for The Show just as there's a market for MLB2K. Just as there's one for Forza and one for Gran Turismo

See now this is a great argument. I feel Forza 2 is more sim than GTP5 in just about every aspect. There's some things it does physics-wise that I think is off that Forza seems to do right. But this is a good debate about simplay. There's no debate that NBA 2K9 has gone further away from sim and has embraced some major arcade elements.

[DC]

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But of course something that is as simple as holding a button for gas and releasing it off of turns for 30+ mins won't be fun. Sim or Arcade. You can't compare a racing game to basketball. Come on now