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Quote: Originally Posted by CapnKill

Its seems very difficult for any serious competition to ever show up without real NFL rosters... I mean a game would have to be simply outstanding with a powerful editor to beat Madden, no matter how poor Madden is.

This isn't entirely true. Many times, when people buy a football game, they tend to create their own players, customize existing players, and create new teams. The NFL logo is a seller, but not as much as people think.

Has their even been a fully featured Non-NFL "sim" football game?