Madden NFL 10 Trailer

[drae2]

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Well, you can tell it's better than 09 already, that's for sure. But I will say that I'm some what dissapointed. Maybe the hype around this was just too much, and made some people anticipate more than what was actually delivered. And yes, people are going to compare the 2K games to this and IMO rightly so. You have to remember EA wanted this genre all to themselves, so they left themselves open to be criticized. With that being said, I'm not going to be critical of them because you can see the Ian and his crew are/have made strides, and this is only April, and it's only a trailer. I think all of us should just be patient, and stop panicking because the letters on the jersey stretch too long. This game doesn't drop for another 4 MONTHS. Now come August and the game dosen't live up to the hype (the David Ortiz daze), then I can understand the uproar, but it's just too damn early for all the negativity. The way some people act about this, you would think their first born male was on the line.

[dal_hawk]

I like a lot of stuff I see.

Agree that the QB animations still look awkward and pretty much same as last year.

I think the running animations have got progressively more natural through each 360/ps3 update. When watching Fitz run down the pass I didn't think it looked too bad. Maybe looked weirder when Parker? was coming out of the broken tackles.

[dat swag]

Re: Madden 10 Trailer impressions

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</td> <td style="background-image: url(/vBulletin/images/quotes/00.gif); width: 100%; height: 1px;" width="100%"> Just wanted to drop in and say hello from my hotel in NYC. Long day today - up early and demo'ed Madden 10 to a TON of press people from 10 to 4. It was good to meet a lot of folks I hadn't really talked to much before like Brian Ekberg from Gamespot, PastaPadre, and Chris from NCAA Strategies (and many many more people that I will have to check back in my contact list to remember their names). The game showed pretty well (I believe) - we are holding a ton of stuff back until E3 so I felt really hamstrung with what we could show today, but just the PRO-TAK tech alone really wowed a ton of people...so that was encouraging. After an event like this it's a good reminder to all the tuning we still have to do as a few things were still 'cringe-worthy' (as I call them), but all in all I think the reactions were quite positive even we were showing what I believe was an extremely limited demo.

Speaking of PRO-TAK, it is going to be on display in the video on GTTV tonight, so I can't wait for you guys to see it. I am dead for tonight and have a ton of stuff booked tomorrow so I don't know if I'll be on after the video displays, but I look forward to you all picking apart everything as usual and finding the good and bad. You'll see some stuff that you don't like I'm sure (I know I did), but I really hope you get a bit of a surprise when you see PRO-TAK on full display. Looking forward to the impressions...

Peace out - see you in a few days.
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The good.......

• Gang Tackling
  
• OL/DL Interaction is good but not great
• On field Refs

The Bad.........

• It seems like the center for both teams was in no mans land every time.
• That was either a poor trailer by GT or the graphics were not that great at all.
• Throwing Motion was robotic
• Player movement was robotic and stiff as a board.
  
• Player movement was same as Madden 09 IMO
• Defensive Backs like the double team on Fitz was not even looking at him.
• There was no pocket formed at all from what I seen.
• The same branching tackle animation in Madden 10 as was in 09. When you see a finesse back like Willie Parker move a pile and break out of 2 players doubling up on a tackle is pathetic. No wonder Ian got 300+ yards with Brandon Jacobs when he played.
• Seemed like the refs was getting knocked down every play. You hardly ever see this in the NFL.
• The towels were not animated to sway as the player moves.
• The player models looked horrible with there arms, helmets, face mask, and more.

Think about what you just saw and ask yourself this question....

If I was going to make a game and put a trailer of that game on a national exclusive would I want the best my new game has to offer in that trailer? The answer for everyone would be yes.

Now answer this.....

If that is the best that Madden 10 has to offer than how can you be happy with the product?

Please take the time to compare that video with a game who has already perfected it. I want Madden 10 to be GREAT so I can have fun again so please don't take this as a ***** post.

Do I like the video of Madden 10? No, But I would love to see a better game trailer soon!

Madden 10.........

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Now lets compare to the APF videos I made for Ian to look at....

How a QB Drop can look in a Football Video game....

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QB Droback, Run & Chuck in APF and how the Shoulders need to be square, Feet Planted, and when throwing deep how he must wind up to make the pass....

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OL / DL Interaction the way it should be or better.....

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How the hell are we still comparing what is essentially a modified version of NFL2k5 to Madden 10????...and more importantly Madden 10 still IMO looks inferior when the raw comparison is highlighted in key areas like the QB, OL/DL and DB/WR interactions. How is this still happening???

I've said this all along...Until EA goes back to scratch and the basics starting with the QB position we will not see the level of change that is needed. Based off the Madden 10 debut video I would not buy the game...Good thing I don't put too much stock into early media or my mind would already be made up...But when you see APF and the little subtleties of how they have captured the realism of the QB position, OL, DB/WR interaction it is really DEPRESSING when you have to look at Madden 10 and wonder where all of that is and why aren't they (Ian and Crew) using APF as the model...Its not even like they have to reinvent the wheel a great example is already here...

I don't and won't get it...

[djordan]

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Can't wait until Ian or Phil responds....

[TheWatcher]

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What was hot:

*The gang tackling... and you guys only saw the beginning of that. There's more.

*The catch animations.

*OL/DL interaction

*The overal player models have been beefed up... good job.

*Yardage struggles with multiple players TACKING on

*Watching Big Ben make the "throw the flag" signal after Dockett pushes him for no reason. Nice.


What sucked:

*The camera angle on Fight For The Fumble. Totally disconnected.

*The TD spike was awful. AWFUL. It's the same bad one we've been getting since 08. There is no authority to the spike at all.

*I think I saw Edgerrin James bowl over Lamar Woodley. You've gotta be kidding me. Who is he? Jerome Bettis now?

*The QB celebration is still not good. Same one since 06.

*The uncertainty that any of these angles from the video will be used for auto-replays

[Moostache]

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its just foolish to take the word of anyone on the EA payroll/on the inside, playing advanced copies, getting invites to events, free games, who knows what else, because its been the same thing for the last two years. I realize it may not be the same people, but there were those "in the know", and whatever you want to call them defending the merits of Madden 08 and 09, I know this from memory. I hope everyone makes a responsible decision with their money that isnt based on their own observations and not the word of anyone else. they will work you until the end.

Hey a$$hole....this is your toilet calling...we would like you come back and resume pouring your shyte into us instead of spouting it out on public forums....

As one of those people from past years I take great offense to your implied "bought-off" nonsense. There have been specific improvements to the game each year, the problem is that there have also been core issues unaddressed each year and even things that were attempted to fix did not work out the way they were intended or planned.

I hope that you get your rocks off by parroting the same tired lines every year and being so noble about warning people what to do with their money....I for one would never presume to tell someone else what they can or should do with their own capital, make your own judgment and kindly return to the throne room...

To be clear...I have zero problem with people expressing an opinion about the game or what they saw, but when they try to put their feelings and impressions to work and decide what was in the mind and heart of people they never met and never will and assign them negative character attributes, I take great offense. It is possible to critize the game, the trailers, the series etc. without the ad hominen attacks...

[Pro Bowler]

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WTH is up with Willie Parker? It takes 4 people to bring him down? This is EXACTLY the kind of crap EA pulls EVERY year. They add some gimmicky crap(fight for every yard) that just adds more problems to the game without fixing previous fundemental problems with the game.

The game does look better but that crap with WP is just stupid. That's one of the big problems I had with the game last year. QB's and RB's breaking tackles or stiff arming defensive tackles to the ground. That dude apex even did a video on this and what did EA do? They made it worse, great job Ian and Phil you're picking up right where the old development team left off.

[AndyBernard]

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how are people saying the ol/dl interaction was good?

Didn't see any doubleteams, and the c/g play was awful

[Exonerated]

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WTH is up with Willie Parker? It takes 4 people to bring him down? This is EXACTLY the kind of crap EA pulls EVERY year. They add some gimmicky crap(fight for every yard) that just adds more problems to the game without fixing previous fundemental problems with the game.

The game does look better but that crap with WP is just stupid. That's one of the big problems I had with the game last year. QB's and RB's breaking tackles or stiff arming defensive tackles to the ground. That dude apex even did a video on this and what did EA do? They made it worse, great job Ian and Phil you're picking up right where the old development team left off.

It's on rookie.

[djordan]

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It's on rookie.

Now we don't know that...lol

[TheWatcher]

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Big Ben needs a custom flak. He doesn't look quite spot-on without it.

[mva5580]

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Hey a$$hole....this is your toilet calling...we would like you come back and resume pouring your shyte into us instead of spouting it out on public forums....

As one of those people from past years I take great offense to your implied "bought-off" nonsense. There have been specific improvements to the game each year, the problem is that there have also been core issues unaddressed each year and even things that were attempted to fix did not work out the way they were intended or planned.

I hope that you get your rocks off by parroting the same tired lines every year and being so noble about warning people what to do with their money....I for one would never presume to tell someone else what they can or should do with their own capital, make your own judgment and kindly return to the throne room...

To be clear...I have zero problem with people expressing an opinion about the game or what they saw, but when they try to put their feelings and impressions to work and decide what was in the mind and heart of people they never met and never will and assign them negative character attributes, I take great offense. It is possible to critize the game, the trailers, the series etc. without the ad hominen attacks...

"but when they try to put their feelings and impressions to work and decide what was in the mind and heart of people they never met and never will and assign them negative character attributes, I take great offense."

Perhaps you should take a look in the mirror. Oh but I know I know, that's different, right?

I agree 100% with what he said, you people are pulled in hook-line-and-sinker EVERY SINGLE YEAR by these trailers, previews, etc, and then it's the same damn thing after the game is released; the complaints roll in.

You people crack me up.

[eagles410]

I ALREADY GOT THIS GAME!! HOW LONG HAVE YALL BEEN WORKING ON THIS AGAIN?? TWO WEEKS IT LOOKS LIKE. WELL WE NOW KNOW THERE ARE NO COLORED CLEATS IN THE GAME... ITS JUST MADDEN 09 WITH SOME DUCT TAPE.

HAND OVER THE LICENSE EA, YOUR DONE!

P.S alot of things I see on sundays are definitely not seen in this game!!

[roadman]

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Welcome to OS.

Nice first post.

[djordan]

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I ALREADY GOT THIS GAME!! HOW LONG HAVE YALL BEEN WORKING ON THIS AGAIN?? TWO WEEKS IT LOOKS LIKE. WELL WE NOW KNOW THERE ARE NO COLORED CLEATS IN THE GAME... ITS JUST MADDEN 09 WITH SOME DUCT TAPE.

HAND OVER THE LICENSE EA, YOUR DONE!