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  • stylee
    Rookie
    • Apr 2009
    • 317

    #76
    Re: NCAA Football 10 Videos (IGN)

    He gets +2 at one point for stopping an option.

    Now, I'm not as familiar with Florida's IRL playbook as I am with some other teams, but I'm trying to figure it out.

    There's Jet motion from the left slot receiver and Tebow's apparantly meshing with this guy on an option.

    The tackles both block the defensive ends, so Tebow's not reading either of those guys.
    The LG and C double on the DT on the left (and it looks pretty cool - they get some movement on him).

    The RG pulls and wraps around the LT and leaves the DT unblocked and the TE and RB go block at the second level (which gets in the backfield insanely fast).

    So presumably Tebow's optioning the DT. Is this midline?
    If so, Tebow would be looking to run outside of the guy he's meshing with, not to the opposite side (where the LG is pulling to), as he looks like he's trying to.

    Some sort of middle zone-read?
    Just a continuation of the dumb, unrealistic blocking schemes from the last few years?

    Someone help me out here.
    Last edited by stylee; 04-28-2009, 11:31 AM.

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    • DONF
      Banned
      • Aug 2003
      • 547

      #77
      Re: NCAA Football 10 Videos (IGN)

      seems the same gameplay wise. No change in my eyes. The cut on the dime and running animation all seems soooooooo fast and arcade.

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      • WolverinesFinest
        Pro
        • Jun 2008
        • 736

        #78
        Re: NCAA Football 10 Videos (IGN)

        Originally posted by stylee
        He gets +2 at one point for stopping an option.

        Now, I'm not as familiar with Florida's IRL playbook as I am with some other teams, but I'm trying to figure it out.

        There's Jet motion from the left slot receiver and Tebow's apparantly meshing with this guy on an option.

        The tackles both block the defensive ends, so Tebow's not reading either of those guys.
        The LG and C double on the DT on the left (and it looks pretty cool - they get some movement on him).

        The RG pulls and wraps around the LT and leaves the DT unblocked and the TE and RB go block at the second level (which gets in the backfield insanely fast).

        So presumably Tebow's optioning the DT. Is this midline?
        If so, Tebow would be looking to run outside of the guy he's meshing with, not to the opposite side (where the LG is pulling to), as he looks like he's trying to.

        Some sort of middle zone-read?
        Just a continuation of the dumb, unrealistic blocking schemes from the last few years?

        Someone help me out here.
        Finally someone who speaks real football!
        I'm not sure if it's midline or a zone read because i've never seen midline done with a motioning WR but I would assume that it's a zone read because the blocking leaves one tackle go free therefore leaving tebow the option to take it if the DT focuses more on the WR...or just EAs bad knowledge of actual football plays.

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        • stylee
          Rookie
          • Apr 2009
          • 317

          #79
          Re: NCAA Football 10 Videos (IGN)

          Originally posted by WolverinesFinest
          Finally someone who speaks real football!
          I'm not sure if it's midline or a zone read because i've never seen midline done with a motioning WR but I would assume that it's a zone read because the blocking leaves one tackle go free therefore leaving tebow the option to take it if the DT focuses more on the WR...or just EAs bad knowledge of actual football plays.

          Yeah, it's hard to do midline from the Shotgun in the first place

          (I think Tony Demeo from Charleston does it, however ----- everyone should look his offense up on youtube, it's amazing)

          and even tougher with a guy having to slow down to take that angle into the line of scrimmage.

          It looks like a zone read but the traditional ZR has the QB read the BACKSIDE defensive end, the side where there would someone pulling FROM

          So:

          S S

          CB LB LB LB CB
          DE T T DE
          X------------LT-LG-C-RG-RT---------------Z
          ------Y----------------H--------------------
          --------------------Q-RB--------------------

          This is the set we're looking at, right?

          A regular zone read with Y as the potential ball carrier would have the LT pull to the right, leaving the defensive end over the LT unblocked. If he follows Y across the formation, the QB would pull the ball and take off to the left. If that defensive end stayed at home, the QB would give the ball and they would have numbers blocking on the right side.

          That's ONE way to do it, and I'm sure there are other, better ways. The disadvantage of this way is that with the slot being the guy the QB meshes with, the OLB on that side is now unblocked too, and not because he's being optioned off of. So, there is probably a better way.

          But what we're looking at is not the ZR and I'd honestly like to know what it is. I'm not super-knowledgable about Florida's playbook, so this could well be a well-executed play that's actually in their playbook.

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          • JerseySuave4
            Banned
            • Mar 2006
            • 5152

            #80
            Re: NCAA Football 10 Videos (IGN)

            to me it looks like Tebow is supposed to run left and follow his blockers there or hand off to the motion man for a sort of speed sweep run. The TE looks to get a piece of the DT then goes for right middle backer and #2 is supposed to get a piece of the right DT which would allow the speed sweep back to get to the outside if he got the ball, but it looks like the RB misses the block and just goes to the MLB instead. But it def looks like Tebow should have ran to the outside on the left which is why the RG pulls left. Because 90% of the time the guard is going to take you to the play, he's not going to pull somewhere as a decoy or for no reason. The only other thought would be if it was never designed to go to the motion man and he was supposed to pick up the DT but missed, but that would be a terrible play design. But the only 2 options appear to be hand off to the motion man or QB keep.

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            • WolverinesFinest
              Pro
              • Jun 2008
              • 736

              #81
              Re: NCAA Football 10 Videos (IGN)

              Originally posted by stylee
              Yeah, it's hard to do midline from the Shotgun in the first place

              (I think Tony Demeo from Charleston does it, however ----- everyone should look his offense up on youtube, it's amazing)

              and even tougher with a guy having to slow down to take that angle into the line of scrimmage.

              It looks like a zone read but the traditional ZR has the QB read the BACKSIDE defensive end, the side where there would someone pulling FROM

              So:

              S S

              CB LB LB LB CB
              DE T T DE
              X------------LT-LG-C-RG-RT---------------Z
              ------Y----------------H--------------------
              --------------------Q-RB--------------------


              This is the set we're looking at, right?

              A regular zone read with Y as the potential ball carrier would have the LT pull to the right, leaving the defensive end over the LT unblocked. If he follows Y across the formation, the QB would pull the ball and take off to the left. If that defensive end stayed at home, the QB would give the ball and they would have numbers blocking on the right side.

              That's ONE way to do it, and I'm sure there are other, better ways. The disadvantage of this way is that with the slot being the guy the QB meshes with, the OLB on that side is now unblocked too, and not because he's being optioned off of. So, there is probably a better way.

              But what we're looking at is not the ZR and I'd honestly like to know what it is. I'm not super-knowledgable about Florida's playbook, so this could well be a well-executed play that's actually in their playbook.
              I only use floridas playbook and ik that for 09 there was a play like what you mentioned but only 1. That formation is incorrect, there is a TE outside of the LT's left shoulder playing a wingback postion.
              Maybe someone ws suppose to pull but responded to an incoming blitz? ( i dont remember if there even was one im just thinking out loud)

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              • noplace
                MVP
                • Jul 2004
                • 2121

                #82
                Re: NCAA Football 10 Videos (IGN)

                Originally posted by DONF
                seems the same gameplay wise. No change in my eyes. The cut on the dime and running animation all seems soooooooo fast and arcade.
                Bingo! When will we get realistic on the field play? They move like marbles sliding all over the field. The cuts are to fast without planting. Yuk!

                Graphics look improved but other than that it seems to play the same way. Hopefully we can slow it down a bit.
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                • bigwill33
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 2281

                  #83
                  Re: NCAA Football 10 Videos (IGN)

                  Originally posted by wsu_gb23
                  if the lighting is dynamic, shouldn't the shadows move? How can it get darker and not have shadows move?
                  I am guessing it just isn't possible at this point to have the shadows move. My guess is that if the sky does change and get darker then the field will just eventually get lit by the stadium lights, reducing the shadows. My guess is that if they had time to sneak back in time progression they didn't get to fix shadows and the way the stadiums react to that just yet. Just speculation though. Still I say this because in that video I totally see it getting darker in the sky!

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                  • WolverinesFinest
                    Pro
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 736

                    #84
                    Re: NCAA Football 10 Videos (IGN)

                    let's keep in mind that russ said team builder is only 60-70% done and that was 2 days ago so maybe gameplay is still being looked at.

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                    • renatus
                      Rookie
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 376

                      #85
                      Re: NCAA Football 10 Videos (IGN)

                      Originally posted by noplace
                      Bingo! When will we get realistic on the field play? They move like marbles sliding all over the field. The cuts are to fast without planting. Yuk!

                      Graphics look improved but other than that it seems to play the same way. Hopefully we can slow it down a bit.
                      I liked the video but the game seems a tad too fast yes

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                      • Jistic
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 16405

                        #86
                        Re: NCAA Football 10 Videos (IGN)

                        Looks about the same to me. And great to see the brought jump the snap back. Just looks way too fast and arcade for me. I wonder if they will have a speed slider this year?
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                        • GigemAGGIES13
                          Rookie
                          • Jul 2006
                          • 206

                          #87
                          Re: NCAA Football 10 Videos (IGN)

                          I'm almost positive that will be the final gameplay build.

                          It looks like the animations are never going to change, but alas, they are merely animations. What actually happens on the field is dictated by the AI, which (they insinuate) got a major update this year.
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                          • tylerd02
                            Rookie
                            • Mar 2006
                            • 218

                            #88
                            Re: NCAA Football 10 Videos (IGN)

                            Any one notice in the Season Showdown: The End Game video at the 14 second mark on the play call screen there is a chew clock option. Anyone know what this is about? Accelerated clock maybe?

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                            • Blaxican8504
                              All Star
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 4150

                              #89
                              Re: NCAA Football 10 Videos (IGN)

                              Originally posted by kgx2thez
                              It looks like the fast players have no weight at all. The KR by Demps has him running up the field, making cuts, and not losing any speed.

                              Other than a few new presentation items and a brief pocket forming it looked like '09 to me.
                              Originally posted by Jistic
                              Looks about the same to me. Just looks way too fast and arcade for me.
                              I agree. It still looks and plays like 2009. It doesn't really look like they changed much from a gameplay point of view.

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                              • fistofrage
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 13682

                                #90
                                Re: NCAA Football 10 Videos (IGN)

                                Originally posted by Blaxican8504
                                I agree. It still looks and plays like 2009. It doesn't really look like they changed much from a gameplay point of view.

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