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  • MCNABB51BOI
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    • Aug 2008
    • 198

    #166
    Re: Madden NFL 10: Updated Running Animation

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    Originally posted by carolina_boi
    THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE !!! and this is last gen.. wow ! Also, check out 2k5 running animations.. thoae are awsome as well. I got faith in EA this year. LETS MAKE IT HAPPEN !!!

    YEA its perfect the runner is low the comes up as he accelerates. the 09 would be ok for some guys in full stride. we def need it to be low then come up higher as they go

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    • jd369
      Banned
      • Sep 2008
      • 1345

      #167
      Re: Madden NFL 10: Updated Running Animation

      new running vid is a step in the right direction for sure. with some more tweaks I bet it will be pretty good. best thing to do though if they havent is to get some players in there and mo cap different running.

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      • NYyankz225
        Pro
        • Aug 2008
        • 558

        #168
        Re: Madden NFL 10: Updated Running Animation

        I think another thing that the old gen Madden video highlighted is that players should prepare for the hit by lowering their bodies before contact! I think this would create a much more seamless animation system. Rather than having a sprinting animation cut abruptly into a tackling situation, their should be some preparation animations before contact is made. Each player should "prepare" themselves for contact before the actual animation starts. Not sure if 09 does this to be honest but it was just a thought I had. It'd be great if Ian could get this in if it's not.

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        • Carolina Panthers
          Rookie
          • Dec 2006
          • 423

          #169
          Re: Ians Twitter: Possible updated running animation vid today!

          why are ppl complainin about the speed of that cotchery he is not that fast
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          • Valdarez
            All Star
            • Feb 2008
            • 5098

            #170
            Re: Ians Twitter: Possible updated running animation vid today!

            Originally posted by Carolina Panthers
            why are ppl complainin about the speed of that cotchery he is not that fast
            Madden '09 has been slowed down, so when you see the '10 animation right along side the '09 one, it looks like he's moving slower than what he really will be when compared to the other players on the field in '10. I honestly wouldn't worry about the speed aspect. The feet and arms are moving in unison, which is the important part.
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            • 4solo
              Rookie
              • Jul 2008
              • 322

              #171
              I agree with alot of people on here b/c the first style is a more natural football running style esp when in traffic, looking for holes, and expecting contact from defenders. (Arms could be a little tighter) The "sprint" style can also be used when someone is running from the pack but i still think the sprint style could use a little more movement just not as much as the first b/c it like he is running the 40 yard dash with pads on and u just don't get to open up in full all out track sprint in football. Most people only run like that when running the 40 only b/c u have been trained to run like that in that setting b/c it is effecient. But when on the field u revert to a more natural running style. Also if there could be a transition between the two style i think it would become very unique and close to perfect. Great job guys!
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              • Xeo
                Banned
                • Jun 2007
                • 90

                #172
                Re: Madden NFL 10: Updated Running Animation

                Originally posted by NYyankz225
                I think another thing that the old gen Madden video highlighted is that players should prepare for the hit by lowering their bodies before contact! I think this would create a much more seamless animation system. Rather than having a sprinting animation cut abruptly into a tackling situation, their should be some preparation animations before contact is made. Each player should "prepare" themselves for contact before the actual animation starts. Not sure if 09 does this to be honest but it was just a thought I had. It'd be great if Ian could get this in if it's not.
                This is what I tried to say in another thread. This would fix so many problems with the realism of madden's animations. There needs to be little animations where the ball carrier lowers their shoulders, turns slightly, or shields the ball when they know contact is coming. APF2K8 had this and I think that's what really made the running look so natural in that game. It's not so much about the sprinting animation as people are making it out to be. If there isn't some different prep/transition type animations in place, the running won't look natural no matter what they change the sprinting animation to.

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                • Valdarez
                  All Star
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 5098

                  #173
                  Re: Madden NFL 10: Updated Running Animation

                  Originally posted by Xeo
                  It's not so much about the sprinting animation as people are making it out to be. If there isn't some different prep/transition type animations in place, the running won't look natural no matter what they change the sprinting animation to.
                  I agree on needing better transition animations, but that sprint animation was definitely messed up.

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                  http://www.operationsports.com/forum...animation.html
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                  • RJTheDestroyer
                    Rookie
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 18

                    #174
                    This looks so much better than the 09 running style, but I do agree that it doesn't really look like he's sprinting like others have said.

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                    • Valdarez
                      All Star
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 5098

                      #175
                      Re: Madden NFL 10: Updated Running Animation

                      The only you really see players doing something close '09 run animation (run, not sprint, there is a difference) is when they are running without pads or when they are in the open field and there is no chance of someone tackling them. Even then, it's only a chance, as running styles vary. The new animation looks so much better (though it still needs work) especially when running through the backfield and/or tacklers.
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                      • boydra
                        Banned
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 152

                        #176
                        Re: Ians Twitter: Possible updated running animation vid today!

                        Originally posted by BORN4CORN
                        It looks better, but its almost like the ball carrier is laboring down the field. I think the legs need to be churning faster.
                        Agreed, the runner appears to be moving too slow.

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                        • Hooe
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 21548

                          #177
                          Re: Madden NFL 10: Updated Running Animation

                          I honestly think that the "sprinter" running style should be kept for the fastest players, but used only when they are sprinting in the open field on a breakaway. Just my two cents though.

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                          • spankdatazz22
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                            • May 2003
                            • 6224

                            #178
                            Re: Madden NFL 10: Updated Running Animation

                            Originally posted by Exonerated
                            I believe the 09 version was far better for a full sprint. From a mechanical point of view, 09 version is the form where the player runs the fastest he possibly can. Knees horizontal. Thats amazing. Core body unmovable . Thats excellent. Head not churning like an idiot, perfect.

                            If it could blend from the M10 animation, and the M09 animation trigger only when in open space, that would be perfect.
                            I kinda agree w/your point. The new anim is improved but doesn't give much of a sense of speed. But until it's viewed in game situations it's hard to tell. If the anims have better/more transitions when going from slow movement to fast movement it should be cool. New anim's movement does have a more natural look than '09 anim
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                            • Playakev21
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                              • Apr 2009
                              • 3

                              #179
                              Not to bash you or anything, but leaning backwards while running 100 percent top speed is scientificly IMPOSSIBLE. Go outside and run full speed while leaning backwards you might feel like your going fast but your actually slowing yourself down. Ive seen runners lean all the way back and that is only when they have exhausted every ounce of energy in there body and EVERYTIME i see that they ALWAYS get caught at the end because they might feel like there running faster by leaning back but there actually lowering there speed. IF you dont believe me look up the science of speed its a DVD even when a runner is at top speed it might look like hes running up right to the eye but speed of movement is quicker then the eye can react so your actually moving with a slight forward movement hence the lowered center of gravity?!

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                              • dat swag
                                Banned
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 1045

                                #180
                                Re: Madden NFL 10: Updated Running Animation

                                Originally posted by CapnKill
                                Until you reach full sprint where you are basically vertical.



                                Running upright is fine at full speed, that's what you should be doing.



                                Forest Gump actually exhibited very good running technique.

                                Look, when you reach top speed you are vertical, that's how you run properly, you don't lean forward, that makes no sense. You lean forward as you accelerate but once you reach top speed you are upright.

                                Look at the picture bellow, and compare AP in Madden 09 to proper full speed posture on the guy on the right and note the difference. Madden running looks funky because at full speed the athletes still have a forward body lean, which is incorrect.
                                Again...you are dead wrong...You are basing your opinion off of a Still Photo that does not accurately reflect the actual movement and fact that a sprinter creates forward momentum and keeps his nose over his toes as he sprints forward.

                                Backward body lean and being too upright is simply BAD mechanics

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