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  • Valdarez
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    • Feb 2008
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    #61
    Re: EA's Pro Tak needs ump I know its WIP....

    Originally posted by TheWatcher
    The fact that every tackle is an explosive one. While the occurences happen in real life singularly, they of course don't happen on every play and that's where BB is taking it... to the extreme.
    How do you know that? You've only seen a few videos. I'm sorry, but that's pure conjecture on your part.

    That's like saying ProTak is going to be unrealistic because everything we have seen to date doesn't look real (momentum, tackles, stops, foot movement). I don't believe that's the case with ProTak and I don't believe that's the case with backbreaker.
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    • roadman
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      • Aug 2003
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      #62
      Re: EA's Pro Tak needs ump I know its WIP....

      Originally posted by Valdarez
      How do you know that? You've only seen a few videos. I'm sorry, but that's pure conjecture on your part.

      Just like Madden, it's all we can go by.

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      • Valdarez
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        • Feb 2008
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        #63
        Re: EA's Pro Tak needs ump I know its WIP....

        Originally posted by roadman
        Just like Madden, it's all we can go by.
        Fair enough, but do all of the videos truly show exaggerated hits? Honestly all of them? If I pull them all up, you are 100% certain they are all exaggerated? All spectacular hits?
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        • roadman
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          #64
          Re: EA's Pro Tak needs ump I know its WIP....

          Originally posted by Valdarez
          Fair enough, but do all of the videos truly show exaggerated hits? Honestly all of them? If I pull them all up, you are 100% certain they are all exaggerated? All spectacular hits?
          From what I've seen, which has only been within the last 1-2 weeks, I'll say yes. It doesn't matter what you pull up, it's my opinion on what I've seen in the last few weeks.

          The first video I saw, I thought all the players looked and walked like robots out of the stadium. I haven't followed BB for two years like others have.

          I'm pulling BB to do well, but I need more proof in the pudding like Madden.

          I'm not going on record and stating all tackles are 100% exaggerated tackles.
          Last edited by roadman; 05-08-2009, 09:24 PM.

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          • Valdarez
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            • Feb 2008
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            #65
            Re: EA's Pro Tak needs ump I know its WIP....

            It just took me one video to see that they are not all spectacular hits and they are not all exaggerated. There are some pretty darn realistic looking tackles in this video. If anything, the problem I see are with the tackle styles used (shoulder lean / tackle) which look all the same to me. The tackles though, look beyond kewl.

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            I will say if you are going from Madden to backbreaker, then it might look exaggerated because Madden has no feel what so ever of player momentum. Going from APF2K8 where there's a very real feel of momentum and the change isn't all that much. The real change isn't the introduction of player momentum, it's the introduction of the random tackles.
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            • speedy9386
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              • Mar 2009
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              #66
              Re: EA's Pro Tak needs ump I know its WIP....

              Tackle Alley alone proves not all tackles are spectacular.

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              • TheWatcher
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                • Oct 2008
                • 3408

                #67
                Re: EA's Pro Tak needs ump I know its WIP....

                Originally posted by roadman
                Just like Madden, it's all we can go by.
                Exactly. And let me point out the fact that if we removed speculation from the forums, they'd shut down in minutes. That's the bulk of what we do here, lol.

                Originally posted by Valdarez
                That's like saying ProTak is going to be unrealistic because everything we have seen to date doesn't look real (momentum, tackles, stops, foot movement). I don't believe that's the case with ProTak and I don't believe that's the case with backbreaker.
                I'll tell you why those two points don't correlate... what people are saying about what they've seen of Pro-Tak is debatable. I've yet to find a consenus agreement on what's exactly wrong. Little things can be picked out here and there in anything, so that's no big deal.

                But with BackBreaker, there is a consenus and an undeniable one. Yes, the tackles LOOK cool, but there is no dispute that all we've seen are explosions. Unless the definition of an explosive tackle has some meanings I'm unaware, so far that's all we've seen from BB. I also think that if it were their goal to make sim football, they wouldn't be showing these explosive tackles in every video since that's obviously not a representation of sim football in the least bit.

                I just think people are setting themselves up for disappointment.

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                • speedy9386
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                  • Mar 2009
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                  #68
                  Re: EA's Pro Tak needs ump I know its WIP....

                  Hey Valdarez you beat me to the punch. lol

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                  • speedy9386
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                    • Mar 2009
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                    #69
                    Re: EA's Pro Tak needs ump I know its WIP....

                    Hey Watcher didn't yoi watch the vid not all tackles are spectacular.

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                    • TheWatcher
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                      • Oct 2008
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                      #70
                      Re: EA's Pro Tak needs ump I know its WIP....

                      Originally posted by speedy9386
                      Tackle Alley alone proves not all tackles are spectacular.
                      I think every tackle in that video was pretty violent.

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                      • roadman
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                        • Aug 2003
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                        #71
                        Re: EA's Pro Tak needs ump I know its WIP....

                        There are some good tackles, but there are a lot of flying leaping tackles as well, with a lot of misses.

                        I don't see that many high flying tackles in Madden or the 2k series, so, from where I stand, it doesn't appear sim to me at this stage.

                        I hope I'm proven wrong.

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                        • speedy9386
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                          • Mar 2009
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                          #72
                          Re: EA's Pro Tak needs ump I know its WIP....

                          No they weren't I think your mistaking violent for loud

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                          • Valdarez
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                            • Feb 2008
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                            #73
                            Re: EA's Pro Tak needs ump I know its WIP....

                            Originally posted by TheWatcher
                            I think every tackle in that video was pretty violent.
                            lol... well then, it's obviously debatable.
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                            • speedy9386
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                              #74
                              Re: EA's Pro Tak needs ump I know its WIP....

                              Originally posted by roadman
                              There are some good tackles, but there are a lot of flying leaping tackles as well, with a lot of misses.

                              I don't see that many high flying tackles in Madden or the 2k series, so, far where I stand, it doesn't appear sim to me at this stage.

                              I hope I'm proven wrong.
                              The devs explained this they said that in tackle alley everyone is set on aggressive but in actual gameplay they don't tackle like that.

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                              • Valdarez
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                                #75
                                Re: EA's Pro Tak needs ump I know its WIP....

                                Originally posted by roadman
                                There are some good tackles, but there are a lot of flying leaping tackles as well, with a lot of misses.

                                I don't see that many high flying tackles in Madden or the 2k series, so, from where I stand, it doesn't appear sim to me at this stage.

                                I hope I'm proven wrong.
                                I agree man, those tackles look great, but the way they tackle needs work. I only saw three tackle styles. A jump/dive tackle, a shoulder lean high, and a shoulder lean low. Now, I don't know if that is the only way they initiate a tackle, but I don't like the fact that they way the defense tackles looks extremely repetitive in the video. But there's no denying that the tackles are unique and look very realistic (even if the way the tackle was initiated doesn't).
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