My Madden NFL 10 Game Experiences From Current Build

[Derrville]

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My point exactly, do you actually think EA is gonna lose sales for showing off gameplay footage this early on since there is no competiton at all. I mean, most people who buy the game dont even frequent any of the message boards anyway unless its to come there and comlain or something.

The die hards are here in this forum and a couple others, so I dont think it will do too much damage or hurt there marketing. Infact I think it will do more good than harm.

If it looks like crap its gonna get ripped to shreads!

[roadman]

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My point exactly, do you actually think EA is gonna lose sales for showing off gameplay footage this early on since there is no competiton at all. I mean, most people who buy the game dont even frequent any of the message boards anyway unless its to come there and comlain or something.

The die hards are here in this forum and a couple others, so I dont think it will do too much damage or hurt there marketing. Infact I think it will do more good than harm.

I understand your point, but from the onset, Ian and Phil both said the smaller stuff will be released first and then the bigger stuff will be released after draft day.

I'm sure Ian and Phil have a working understanding with the marketing department as to what is released when.

It's just something we have to accept.

[Krodis]

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I don't see how 78% in a single game is much of a concern: it isn't exactly a rare feat. I mean, if it happened every game I'd be concerned, but David Carr and Redskins-era Mark Brunell have completed something like 21 passes in a row before, so 78% for a fairly accurate QB in a west coast offense doesn't seem particularly off for a single game performance.

I mean, the thing you have to remember about single games is they're small sample sizes. 20/25 might be 80%, but 15/25 is 60%. The difference between 60% and 80% in this situation could be a few dropped balls and an amazing leaping grab.

[djKianoosh]

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It's a doube edged sword. The reason backups should be worse is well...because they ARE backups and weren't good enough to become a starter. Pretty self explanatory there bud. Just because a backup may look great one or two games doesn't mean he will be great in the long run to be a starter.

Backups really need to prove themselves thoroughly to get the starting job. By your philosophy, a backup shouldn't play worse than the starter because they are in the NFL and made the roster? I think you need to do your homework more.

I'm not saying a backup should be equal to the starter. not at all. you are right that a starter, especially an elite player, should play better. but while it should be harder for Donny to play with the backup RB's in chicago, it shouldn't be a death sentence. meaning, if he sticks to some basic runs and can get some good blocking, he should be able to overcome an injury to his star. I dont know about doing homework. I'm a dedicated NFL fan that watches as many games as I can and I'm always watching NFL Network to get as much NFL as I can every single day of the year. So I've seen teams bring in their backups and sometimes they play better. Not always, but sometimes it happens. your skins, for example, a couple seasons ago, Portis went down and Ladell Betts played pretty well, not pro bowl level, but he wasn't no scrub. The Chargers last year. LT was hurt, and Sproles showed flashes. He wasn't no LT. He can't do it every down. But that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying it shouldn't be impossible for a team to bring in a backup and scheme and figure out a way to use him properly.

I think you make a valid point with regards to RBs. I think a lot of RBs in the league are a product of their OL. That's why a backup RB can look good at times. But special players are hard to replace and you should see a huge drop at the QB position as well as most starting positions imo.

I'll give you that. RB is one of those positions that new guys come up every year. At QB though, how do you explain Matt Cassell? there wasn't a "huge" drop in performance there last year, was there? sure, they didn't make the playoffs, but ya'll can't tell me he didn't perform very well. he's no Brady. I'm not saying he is. please understand. I'm just saying he didn't cripple his team.

From how Donny worded it, it sounded like he felt he was crippled at RB after Forte went down. crippled? i dont know man. limited? sure. but not crippled.

take it to the extreme, guys that use weak teams in Madden like the Bucs or Rams or Lions, how are they supposed to beat the top teams? Hey it happens IRL. supposedly bad teams are forever surprising the 'good' teams and beating them. I hope this isn't harder to do in madden '10. Yes, it should be hard to beat top teams. But with some scheming and good, solid football, you should be able to beat anyone. Any given Sunday. not with cheesing or cheating, but with good, mistake-free football.

[Doogie09]

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Injuries, realistic or not, doesn't matter much if the Injured Reserve system still doesn't free a roster spot......

Anyone heard if they have addressed this?

Thank you.

[Tengo Juego]

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I want some Green Bay screens. Maybe Gregorious or Kampman lined up at his new OLB position.

[teambayern]

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djklanoosh, I mean no offense, but it sounds like your anxious about ratings actually mattering. To beat the good teams with bad teams, you'll need to scheme your butt off and get lucky. To use a backup, you'll feel the hit of not having your starter in. If the game is going to change, then these things have to be right up front.

[cedwebb]

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I guess you can tell I'm bored, but:

Steve Young had 30 games (where he attempted at least 15 passes) where he threw for over 70% from 1991-1998, or almost 4 per season. 6 games over 80% and 2 over 90%.

Steve Young is a good example because of his high career completion percentage, third all-time behind, wait, CHAD PENNINGTON?? (Didn't know that - lol) and Kurt Warner. So Steve Young should be about the statistical ceiling for QBs in Madden.

Very nice man..I didn't have the time to find those but I was looking for them. I thought he would be a good example as when I think West Coast, I think Steve Young, and he was at the top of the QBs who have ran that successfully.

So back to my point, from 91-98 there were only 30 games where he threw over 70%. What I really want to get across is that he is a Hall-a-Famer and yes, that should def be the ceiling for QBs in that system. If someone does better, great cause there is always someone to come along that will beat the past records, but it should be very, very uncommon.

Hasselback is a good QB, not a Hall-a-Famer so to see him do that one time, no biggie, but I hope this isn't a common occurrance. I know he said that they were passes under 20 yards but in the NFL, how many passes a game go over 20 yards??(someone look that up). Just cause they are shorter passes doesn't make them easier, typically you will have more clutter cause the defense is all right there.

[djKianoosh]

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djkianoosh, I mean no offense, but it sounds like your anxious about ratings actually mattering. To beat the good teams with bad teams, you'll need to scheme your butt off and get lucky. To use a backup, you'll feel the hit of not having your starter in. If the game is going to change, then these things have to be right up front.

dont see any offense there.. I agree, it should be hard, though not impossible, to beat a team like the Chargers with the Chiefs, or to beat the Cowboys with the Bucs, or to beat the Steelers with the Lions. Totally agree with all of you guys there. I just hope it's still possible to do it IF I scheme for that opponent AND somehow find some weakness in their armor AND make adjustments AND play mistake-free ball.

Dont get me wrong. I dont want it to be easy. But I have friends who only play with 'their' favorite team, like the Bucs, Jets and Bills, and just cause my favorite team is the Eagles I don't want a decided advantage on them from the get-go. We don't dig that whole "My Skill"/IQ thing they had in '09. We just set the mode to All-Pro and play. Don't wanna hear no excuses, actually! haha.

so that's why I'm a liiiiitle concerned with this philosophy that says backups are 10 times worse than starters. the difference between some backups and starters is minimal, and frankly a lot of teams rotate 8 guys on the defensive line (like the eagles) and do well with that system, and they all make plays! If donny and those guys tell us that there's a good D Line rotation system and all those guys can at least make some plays during the game, then it's all good. Should the 8th ranked guy be the same as the 1st? heck no! but he shouldn't be 10 times worse either! and it shouldn't be that only speed and agility matters for a DE. cause in '09 on the Eagles, I could put Bryan Smith in there and he'd make plays all game cause of his speed despite the fact that he was one of the lowest rated DE's on the team! something was outta wack there. so anyway.. I CAN'T WAIT FOR AUGUST!! hahah

[RogueHominid]

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I guess you can tell I'm bored, but:

Steve Young had 30 games (where he attempted at least 15 passes) where he threw for over 70% from 1991-1998, or almost 4 per season. 6 games over 80% and 2 over 90%.

Steve Young is a good example because of his high career completion percentage, third all-time behind, wait, CHAD PENNINGTON?? (Didn't know that - lol) and Kurt Warner. So Steve Young should be about the statistical ceiling for QBs in Madden.

Excellent work on Steve Young's stats.

All I'd say is that we're talking about a HOF QB, with a HOF WR, a Pro Bowl FB and a Pro Bowl HB who were very good pass catchers, all playing in the highest percentage scheme to date. There are certainly teams in the league who can replicate some of those numbers, the Cards being a great example, but we have to realize that with numbers like that we're talking about the statistical aberration, not the norm.

I think we all want the same thing, which is balance in-game and believable stat lines for the season with the kinds of highs and lows you expect over 16 games.

To the above poster who suggested that 78% games aren't a big deal, I concur. I am simply worried that we're going to have more 78% seasons, that's all. Hence the plug for more stats if the devs are inclined to give them from their games, which of course I realize they're in no way obligated to do.

[TreyIM2]

UGH! THIS IS TORTURE!! And it's all my fault. I am such a glutton for punishment. Lol.

Sounds good about how they actually wait, like they used to in past Maddens (or is my memory effed up??), to give the injury report later in the game and also about the OLs actually going up field to give good blocks. Tell me more, tell me more - Was it love at first site? Lol. Who knows what that's from? Or am I dating myself? Actually, who even cares. Ha.

[FootballDetails]

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Tell me more, tell me more - Was it love at first site? Lol. Who knows what that's from?

Grease

[countryboy]

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thanks Donny for the information.

[Megatron2k7]

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Nice thread Donny. Thanks for sharing the game info with us.

I'm not sure how you can implement it into the game without just doing formation substitutions, but the Packers have already stated that they are going to run a lot of 4 man D-Line formations on defense this year. When they go into those situations like in Nickel and Dime defense, Kampman is going back to his old position with his hand on the ground as a LDE.

Kampman will only be a LOLB in the "Base 3-4" defense. In almost every other sub formation, he will be back at DE.

If we do this ourselves with formation subs... will Kampman still be rated as high, or maybe even higher than his OLB rating when at the DE position...??? I am only asking because I don't want to see his rating drop when we do this and make him less productive as a pass rusher from the DE position in those defenses.

When the Packers line up in a 4 man front.... it will probably look like this....

RDE = Cullen Jenkins

DT = BJ Raji

DT = Ryan Pickett

LDE = Aaron Kampman

Whoever wins the 3-4 LDE spot for the Packers this year (Harrell, Jolley, Pickett, Malone) will not be the LDE when in the 4 man front. If at all possible, it would be nice to see it work better than last year, where the DE's stay the same going from a 3 man line to a 4 man line, and the second DT just comes in.

Any feedback on this would be greatly appreciated.

[TreyIM2]

Details - Nice catch...
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