NCAA Football 10 Pre-E3 Hands-On (IGN)

[countryboy]

Re: NCAA Football 10 Pre-E3 Hands-On (IGN)

Well um... that's not all that I said, but considering the videos Ian has posted have given us an idea on the progress they've made then I'd say yes. For example the running animations; they weren't realistic and the community didn't approve. So what did Ian and company do? They tweaked it and gave us a video on the progress made as well as confirmed to us they they were further working on the animations. NCAA, from what we've seen still has the same terrible running animations.

They're weren't colored cleats in the game and people voiced there disapproving opinion on the subject. What do Ian and company do? They added team specific colored cleats. In NCAA we still have the same generic white or black cleats that hardly anyone wears.

There weren't various sock lengths in Madden, and again people weren't satisfied. What did Ian and company do? They added various sock lengths.

We begged for more presentation. What did Ian and company do? Added better and more deep presentation.

The list goes on and on.

My question is this...kinda of what I was getting at with my other response to you....how do you know that NCAA hasn't progressed at all? Because they aren't adding things or spilling the beans the same way Madden is?

[rudyjuly2]

Re: NCAA Football 10 Pre-E3 Hands-On (IGN)

Russell just posted a list of gameplay improvements for NCAA. I suggest people check out that thread for more info as the IGN articlue is crap.

NCAA 09 had post game highlights (videos) last year and they tried to patch the same thing for halftime but it wasn't ready. I fully expect to get half time and post game highlights. I hope that's part of an actual show with commentary though rather than just video clips which are still nice. I don't think they have talked much about this stuff other than adding Erin Andrews. I used to love the Chris Berman stuff on 2K5.

[hayvis]

Re: NCAA Football 10 Pre-E3 Hands-On (IGN)

i'm still just completely missing your point so you only know one person that means nobody is going to make those teams? and the comment i responded to was that these schools have "absolutely nothing to do with actual college football" which i'm still just puzzled by. Also to me this is way better than having FCS teams come with the game because in last gen those teams were never done right and there were only a few of them. now you have access to all of them and you can basically make them completely authentic

I'd be happy if you could schedule Teambuilder teams in Dynasty without replacing FBS teams, but EA thought it was too mentally challenging for them to allow us to replace the generic FCS teams in the game. So in response to your statement, it's impossible to use Teambuilder FCS teams in a realistic dynasty so they become totally pointless.

[moylan1234]

Re: NCAA Football 10 Pre-E3 Hands-On (IGN)

I'd be happy if you could schedule Teambuilder teams in Dynasty without replacing FBS teams, but EA thought it was too mentally challenging for them to allow us to replace the generic FCS teams in the game. So in response to your statement, it's impossible to use Teambuilder FCS teams in a realistic dynasty so they become totally pointless.

and explain to me why NCAA is held to a different standard than every other sports game on the market?

[Gossennator]

Re: NCAA Football 10 Pre-E3 Hands-On (IGN)

I'd be happy if you could schedule Teambuilder teams in Dynasty without replacing FBS teams, but EA thought it was too mentally challenging for them to allow us to replace the generic FCS teams in the game. So in response to your statement, it's impossible to use Teambuilder FCS teams in a realistic dynasty so they become totally pointless.

Hah well that sucks for you..I think most people will enjoy team builder. I am glad you wont to get enjoy it..and too mentally challenging? Give me a break

[Drocks]

Re: NCAA Football 10 Pre-E3 Hands-On (IGN)

I guess I'm in the minority that really doesn't understand what exactly was wrong with the overall gameplay of NCAA last season? I'm talking about the look of the gameplay, as far as what you'd see from a sizzle video? I see minor tweaks to some animations and stuff like that, but I wasn't expecting wholesale changes to "sizzle" parts of the gameplay.

The parts of the gameplay that are extremely frustrating to me are things like the O-line/D-line interaction and the fact that there really isn't such a thing as a pocket. The fact that the AI seems to pass all the time and will fire a 95% completion percentage on me no matter what defense I lay out there. Run blocking sucks. Receivers will just let a CB pick off a pass without fighting for the ball. Linebackers turn into Superman despite not even looking at the ball. Passes typically end with either a catch or a pick (or out of bounds I guess too). I have yet to see a video that could show whether or not these issues have been addressed. So to say nothing has changed with the gameplay based off sizzle vids is premature and I think a lot of people just don't want to get their hopes up cause they've been burned before (completely understandable).

Presentation-wise, the things that frustrate me is the fact that there is no real pregame, halftime, or postgame "show", and by show, I mean simply something that can AT LEAST give us what we had in like 05 with the teams running out, with a little player highlight prior to the game. Then at halftime, shows some highlights with commentary, and also postgame, show a little bit of a celebration with postgame highlights. Nothing necessarily extravagent, but SOMETHING. This NEEDS to be upgraded as it is badly holding back the level of presentation that is possible with NCAA.

Just a couple thoughts I had as I lurk the threads here.

[Ziza9Noles94]

From the moment you start a dynasty and start recruiting it becomes "My fantasy NCAA league." So I'm not sure how teambuilder will hurt things at all. I'm really looking forward to it. I'll be able to add some FCS teams to replace perennial powers like Western Kentucky, Idaho, and Duke. (sarcasm intended) To each his own. But along with the other improvements, Teambuilder has me looking forward to this game more than '09.

[heavy_hitter]

Re: NCAA Football 10 Pre-E3 Hands-On (IGN)

Yep..almost as funny as people putting down a game they've never played.

With EA's track record for NCAA and Madden football series, why should anyone be excited? There have only been 3 great breakthroughs on these series. The first Madden on the Sega, the first Madden on PS2, and NCAA 04 on PS2. Every other year has been average, disappointing, or a complete train wreck as 09 was. NCAA 08 was a better game than 09. The 09 Demo was a better game than the 09 retail version.

Why should anyone be excited with the track record? I hope the game is great. However, I don't trust a word out of any employee of EA.

I am not excited about the game because EA refuses to deal with the true essence of football and that is making the Line play correctly. Every offensive scheme is based off of the OL and it's blocking. EA continues to use head on blocking which doesn't allow for offenses and plays to function correctly. Until they rebuild the game and fix the OL/DL interaction properly, we will still have a sub par game. EA doesn't understand football and what makes offenses work IMHO.

[countryboy]

Re: NCAA Football 10 Pre-E3 Hands-On (IGN)

With EA's track record for NCAA and Madden football series, why should anyone be excited? There have only been 3 great breakthroughs on these series. The first Madden on the Sega, the first Madden on PS2, and NCAA 04 on PS2. Every other year has been average, disappointing, or a complete train wreck as 09 was. NCAA 08 was a better game than 09. The 09 Demo was a better game than the 09 retail version.

Why should anyone be excited with the track record? I hope the game is great. However, I don't trust a word out of any employee of EA.

I am not excited about the game because EA refuses to deal with the true essence of football and that is making the Line play correctly. Every offensive scheme is based off of the OL and it's blocking. EA continues to use head on blocking which doesn't allow for offenses and plays to function correctly. Until they rebuild the game and fix the OL/DL interaction properly, we will still have a sub par game. EA doesn't understand football and what makes offenses work IMHO.

So because your opinion is that EA has only had a handful of breakthrough football titles, then nobody should be excited?

The fact that you don't like the series or have been disappointed with it, doesn't equate to the fact that everyone should feel the same nor can they be excited about what they hear/read.

I don't understand how people can shoot down the excitement level of a game that nobody knows anything about. We all have hope that the game will be better, or else we wouldn't be in the forum discussing. And if its wrong to be excited that something may solidify that feeling of hope, then whats the point of gathering information pre-launch? Are we only to seek the information to be disappointed?

[heavy_hitter]

Re: NCAA Football 10 Pre-E3 Hands-On (IGN)

So because your opinion is that EA has only had a handful of breakthrough football titles, then nobody should be excited?

NCAA 04 is opinion. If you pick up the latest GamePro Magazine they quote in there "The only two break through's in the Madden series were the first Madden on Sega Genesis and the first Madden released on the PS2.".

So obviously others agree.

I used to get excited about this game. EA, however, has made be bitter towards the NCAA series.

NCAA 04 was the may be the best football title ever released on any console.

NCAA 05 was a disaster. How the bleep do you make a great game in 04 and have a disaster in 05? Remember the man to man defensive disaster where the defense switched men like they were playing basketball?

NCAA 06 was much better that the 05 disaster. Yet, it still wasn't to the level that 04 was. You got one of the worst features introduced, and poorly introduced at that, with the Impact Players. Though better than 05, 06 was still a dismal game.

NCAA 07 was another poor performance in my opinion. Many will disagree, but the game didn't play well at all. We also got stupid stuff like Race for the Heisman. UGHHHH!!! I play online and this game was unplayable online. It was OK for league play, but you had to have 100 rules to make the game play correctly.

NCAA 08 NG was a disaster. Option Defense, do I need say more? Fumbles? I did say more. This game was unplayable.

NCAA 09 NG was worse than 08. How do you go from a bad game and make it worse? OD is the only reason I even have this game anymore. I play in a slow moving OD and get a game in every other week. If I HAD to play it anymore than that I would throw up. The money everyone paid for this game should have been refunded. How do you ship a broken game out of the box? Don't care what anyone says, but this game was broken. Wide Open Offense was EA's motto for not being able to program a worthy defense. The game was just bad.

So tell me, why should I or anyone else be excited? We haven't seen a decent NCAA game since 04.

[stylee]

Re: NCAA Football 10 Pre-E3 Hands-On (IGN)

I agree with heavy_hitter on the OL thing.

If the level of error applied to the OL programming were applied to any of the skill positions, no one would ever play this game.

I like Teambuilder but I don't think that's enough to motivate me to buy the game.

[rudyjuly2]

Re: NCAA Football 10 Pre-E3 Hands-On (IGN)

I'm not expecting the OL/DL interaction to perfectly represent real football. I think there was too much that needed to be done to get there in one year. It would be nice to have it but it's not necessary to produce a good football game. The results of the OL/DL interaction are more important than the process imo.

Last year you had offensive lineman who at default were tremendous pass blockers but lousy run blockers. There were far too many pancakes (said to be fixed for 10) that resulted in too many DL on their backs. Combine that with ineffective sliders and it was impossible to finetune the trench battle to something that at least produced realistic results. It just wasn't possible.

If the balance between run and pass blocking is improved, if the sliders work better and the pancakes are toned down, the game can still be fun even if we might still see some suction blocking and bad AI from time to time. Just my two cents.

[countryboy]

Re: NCAA Football 10 Pre-E3 Hands-On (IGN)

NCAA 04 is opinion. If you pick up the latest GamePro Magazine they quote in there "The only two break through's in the Madden series were the first Madden on Sega Genesis and the first Madden released on the PS2.".

So obviously others agree.

I used to get excited about this game. EA, however, has made be bitter towards the NCAA series.

NCAA 04 was the may be the best football title ever released on any console.

NCAA 05 was a disaster. How the bleep do you make a great game in 04 and have a disaster in 05? Remember the man to man defensive disaster where the defense switched men like they were playing basketball?

NCAA 06 was much better that the 05 disaster. Yet, it still wasn't to the level that 04 was. You got one of the worst features introduced, and poorly introduced at that, with the Impact Players. Though better than 05, 06 was still a dismal game.

NCAA 07 was another poor performance in my opinion. Many will disagree, but the game didn't play well at all. We also got stupid stuff like Race for the Heisman. UGHHHH!!! I play online and this game was unplayable online. It was OK for league play, but you had to have 100 rules to make the game play correctly.

NCAA 08 NG was a disaster. Option Defense, do I need say more? Fumbles? I did say more. This game was unplayable.

NCAA 09 NG was worse than 08. How do you go from a bad game and make it worse? OD is the only reason I even have this game anymore. I play in a slow moving OD and get a game in every other week. If I HAD to play it anymore than that I would throw up. The money everyone paid for this game should have been refunded. How do you ship a broken game out of the box? Don't care what anyone says, but this game was broken. Wide Open Offense was EA's motto for not being able to program a worthy defense. The game was just bad.

So tell me, why should I or anyone else be excited? We haven't seen a decent NCAA game since 04.

thats your opinion, and maybe the opinion of some others, but others, such as myself, have felt that we've had a decent game since '04. Maybe you feel differently.

[heavy_hitter]

Re: NCAA Football 10 Pre-E3 Hands-On (IGN)

thats your opinion, and maybe the opinion of some others, but others, such as myself, have felt that we've had a decent game since '04. Maybe you feel differently.

You must be the casual football gamer then. The hard core group has bashed this game forever. Go to any Sports Gaming Site and you see this game bashed more than complimented.

[countryboy]

Re: NCAA Football 10 Pre-E3 Hands-On (IGN)

You must be the casual football gamer then. The hard core group has bashed this game forever. Go to any Sports Gaming Site and you see this game bashed more than complimented.

thats it, pull out the casual football gamer card.

If we didn't have hope or believe that the game was going to or will get better, and if seeking information to solidify that hope/belief is a bad thing, then why bother coming into the forum seeking pre-release information? Why bother discussing the game at all?