Madden NFL 10 Hands-On Preview (IGN)

[BrianFifaFan]

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Loving that the Presentation stuff was brought up! Really not loving the run back forever and throw the perfect strike. This is where I am wondering if the commitment to a total makeover is there. We all know that is a sacred cow with Madden, and totally reeks of "arcade." It's cool they took away the throwing icons, but it just needs to go, forever... If this game wants to be totally serious as being what you see on Sunday you see in Madden, then they need to kill all of what made it semi-arcady. Either with killer pursuit or devastating losses of accuracy. I'm loving almost all of what I hear, but this issue is huge. That's why I hate online sooo much, it's all about using cheese to win and being good at Madden-style football. If we're gonna go sim, then let's do it all the way. To twist
Ian's quote: "Great presentation will make them want to stay, but cheesy/unrealstic gameplay will kill the illusion created eventually...."

[lolfalconsbeatu]

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I hope they fix that pocket!

I dont want to see ppl dropping back 30 yards to make a thirty yard pass down field anymore...

[CreatineKasey]

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I thought it was cool to read you can quick switch to a nearby offensive player and help push the pile! I can imagine having a fight for a first down or TD and trying to get the FB or another lagging OL behind the pile to help grind out the last couple of inches.

It's kind of hard to take these kind of game reviewers seriously because like someone mentioned a few posts ago, their ratings don't really correllate with what we see in a game anyway. We are in the minority, though. What we care about isn't always what the standard gamer cares about.

Like Ian said, the guy was junking around in pro mode. I bet most of us will never even play once in pro mode. We look at this in a different light, a different detail than the average kid just wanting to sling the ball around.

Because of that I take the comments from the developers and group of OSers that played the game seriously, but other comments with a 2 pound *grain* of salt

[RogueHominid]

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I like some of the visuals, especially the ones that showcase signature styles. That little stuff goes a long way toward making each opponent feel different and authentic.

The pocket looks okay. In lots of the screens, you can only see 4 OL, and I don't think there's a double on the DT in any of them. It also looks rather massive from a scaling perspective (LOTS of empty space and a large perimeter), but all in all any pocket is better than no pocket.

The run and chuck is a big wait and see. So long as the CPU doesn't do it, it's fine. I'll never, ever play Madden online, so I won't have to worry about the Madden Nation crowd doing that ish to me. But it would be good if they made it significantly harder to do that and succeed. That's a big index, imo, of the game's commitment to sim or arcade style play.

[tron8]

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why can't we buy this game now. How the hell am i supposed to wait 3 months?

Can we start a petition to have madden released at the beginning of summer haha

[SouthernBrick]

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Overall liked the article. Loved the presentation.

[CreatineKasey]

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The run and chuck is a big wait and see. So long as the CPU doesn't do it, it's fine. I'll never, ever play Madden online, so I won't have to worry about the Madden Nation crowd doing that ish to me. But it would be good if they made it significantly harder to do that and succeed. That's a big index, imo, of the game's commitment to sim or arcade style play.

That's funny, but also kind of disappointing (not disappointed in YOU, but in the game) that you completely refuse to even spend a morsel of your time online with Madden. Hopefully we can change that this season if everything goes as we expect. I agree with you, though. Those bad experiences just get burned into your memory forever. I remember some cheesy games clear as day... ('05 Eagles DE manual rush/2 man bump 2k5 DL glitch, 09' Scramble/lob).

[BrianFifaFan]

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I thought it was cool to read you can quick switch to a nearby offensive player and help push the pile! I can imagine having a fight for a first down or TD and trying to get the FB or another lagging OL behind the pile to help grind out the last couple of inches.

It's kind of hard to take these kind of game reviewers seriously because like someone mentioned a few posts ago, their ratings don't really correllate with what we see in a game anyway. We are in the minority, though. What we care about isn't always what the standard gamer cares about.

Like Ian said, the guy was junking around in pro mode. I bet most of us will never even play once in pro mode. We look at this in a different light, a different detail than the average kid just wanting to sling the ball around.

Because of that I take the comments from the developers and group of OSers that played the game seriously, but other comments with a 2 pound *grain* of salt

See I'm still not feeling anyone being able to fling it 30 yards on the back-peddle with near-perfect accuracy, regardless of skill level. I'm more for the use of aids like D-assist for those who don't have the sticks or knowledge yet. Football is football. Madden has been a flawed interpretation of football. As long as they let stuff like that exist, it perpetuates a culture that has brought Madden to where we are all saying that it's broken. They need to take the leap of faith like Fifa is trying to and NHL and The Show. Not to mention the legend that PES is. Those games are acclaimed for trying to faithfully recreate the sports they represent.

Now before it sounds like I'm bashing the team, I'm not. I have much faith in them, Ian especially. But I'm just praying that they go all out with it, not half. Not get scared that they will alienate the fanbase or make it where little kids won't play it. If they are ever gonna have it where a coach can beat a tourney player, they've gotta get the game to be totally true to the sport and fun and accessible at the same time. Classic Madden gameplay needs to get shelved, just like Triple Play's brand of baseball.... Sim or Bust!

[dman1976]

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See I'm still not feeling anyone being able to fling it 30 yards on the back-peddle with near-perfect accuracy, regardless of skill level. I'm more for the use of aids like D-assist for those who don't have the sticks or knowledge yet. Football is football. Madden has been a flawed interpretation of football. As long as they let stuff like that exist, it perpetuates a culture that has brought Madden to where we are all saying that it's broken.

Lol, I know. Saw some of the reruns on madden nation....

[NYyankz225]

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I disagree. A kid playing on rookie should not have to worry if his QB's feet are set to throw the ball. I have no problem with allowing leeway with passing accuracy on lower levels as long as All Pro and All Madden are sim-like. Just like player speed differentials are adjusted based on difficulty, so should the effect on accuracy for running back and chucking the ball. That doesnt make the game any less sim imo as long as proper physics are applied.

[NYG 5]

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how about they have people demo the game who have actully played the game, not some ignorant who plays on rookie

[MelMan1486]

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why can't we buy this game now. How the hell am i supposed to wait 3 months?

Can we start a petition to have madden released at the beginning of summer haha

lol as if they don't have enough time already to make the game you wan't to shorten it?... I'd petition to have the game released every 2 years with a roster update in between

[USF11]

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how about they have people demo the game who have actully played the game, not some ignorant who plays on rookie

Theres a balance thing here, I am all for a realistic pocket no doubt. But the average joe will hate being sacked in 3 seconds everyplay.

The reason the show is so good is that it has realism and a steep learning curve.

[edaddy]

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See I'm still not feeling anyone being able to fling it 30 yards on the back-peddle with near-perfect accuracy, regardless of skill level. I'm more for the use of aids like D-assist for those who don't have the sticks or knowledge yet. Football is football. Madden has been a flawed interpretation of football. As long as they let stuff like that exist, it perpetuates a culture that has brought Madden to where we are all saying that it's broken. They need to take the leap of faith like Fifa is trying to and NHL and The Show. Not to mention the legend that PES is. Those games are acclaimed for trying to faithfully recreate the sports they represent.

Now before it sounds like I'm bashing the team, I'm not. I have much faith in them, Ian especially. But I'm just praying that they go all out with it, not half. Not get scared that they will alienate the fanbase or make it where little kids won't play it. If they are ever gonna have it where a coach can beat a tourney player, they've gotta get the game to be totally true to the sport and fun and accessible at the same time. Classic Madden gameplay needs to get shelved, just like Triple Play's brand of baseball.... Sim or Bust!

Excellent post man and I bet you convey the thoughts of a bunch of "SIM" posters on this site...While I am usually pessemistic and wary of developers coming to OS and marketing their brand without delivering on the final product..I get a totally different vibe and feeling about Ian..I think he is really trying to turn this Madden Culture around and make Madden a total representation of the sport...I don't expect for him to do it in one cycle though but I DO expect significant improvement from past editions as far as realistic gameplay and presentation...I laugh looking at that Madden Nation crap because it's not football..and I think Ian feels the same way...I think he is dedicated to making this where a coach can beat a tourney player...Let's hope we aren't wrong..LOL

[MelMan1486]

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Theres a balance thing here, I am all for a realistic pocket no doubt. But the average joe will hate being sacked in 3 seconds everyplay.

The reason the show is so good is that it has realism and a steep learning curve.

Very true in regaurds to The Show. But I think the show is geared towards more of a mature audience who are ok with 100% realism whereas Madden needs to still appeal to the younger audience.

Last week my little cousin played The Show and got upset because Manny went 1-4 with a double and that every ball he threw wasn't a strike. In his case The Show is TOO REAL for him.

What I think Madden needs to do is add another difficulty level and keep the run and chuck for the 2 lower levels and the other levels make it "sim".