Madden NFL 10 Hands-On Preview (Joystiq)

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Re: Joystiq Impressions: Madden NFL 10 (5/18)

This is a good sign when casual sites make negative comments on the game. Game play is the last thing on their list. They want features and more features even if these features don't work and no one will ever use them.

[Colladie]

Re: Joystiq Impressions: Madden NFL 10 (5/18)

I hope so too - but it seems like it's not going to get there yet. I mean, they're still dragging their feet about extra camera angles... The fact that they had to post a thread with a Poll asking our opinions means they dont' really feel like working on it for some strange reason... as if the poll was to try and justify NOT wanting to work on it.

But they do the easy stuff like cleat colors for the freaks who make noise about it.

How can you have "Emotion of the NFL" if you don't have a TV-style Broadcast camera as an option?

I don't know... hopefully, E3 will reveal everything and some surprises. At this point, I'm 100 % focused on presentation and I don't even care about game modes or anymore gameplay gimmicks. Gameplay can get boring too if it's not spiced up with solid presentation.

It was a thread about multiple gameplay camera angles not about multiple presentation angles. Those (supposedly) are being looked into.

[PlyrzNumber1]

Re: Joystiq Impressions: Madden NFL 10 (5/18)

This is a good sign when casual sites make negative comments on the game. Game play is the last thing on their list. They want features and more features even if these features don't work and no one will ever use them.

I think you get into sketchy territory clumping all gaming media sites together in the same "casual, no sports interest dumb gaming site" category. Joystiq comments on many games, in very diverse genres, and have a good reputation in the gaming-community as a credible, and fair resource for information and commentary.

Also, it's ironic that you comment on gaming sites wanting more and more features, when, specifically, this particular preview criticizes too many features, and not enough core-gameplay improvements.

[Furq]

Re: Joystiq Impressions: Madden NFL 10 (5/18)

What I will say and have alluded to in other threads, is that EVERY year we hear about the new improvements. Then for the past few years that I can remember, preview sites like IGN have said how the game is unchanged.

People at OS go nuts and start saying how these are just sites for casual guys who don't know the sport, but guess what we've been disappointed time after time while the previews who said the game is unchanged have essentially been right.

Again we have no idea if that's true this year, but people seem to forget that we go through the exact same cycle every year and we've been disappointed each time.

[grunt]

Re: Joystiq Impressions: Madden NFL 10 (5/18)

I think you get into sketchy territory clumping all gaming media sites together in the same "casual, no sports interest dumb gaming site" category. Joystiq comments on many games, in very diverse genres, and have a good reputation in the community as a credible, and fair resource for information.

Also, it's ironic that you comment on gaming sites wanting more and more features, when, specifically, this particular preview criticizes too many features, and not enough core-gameplay improvements.

I am talking about the last 10 years not this particular article. Madden having a true pass pocket and developing a new tackling system should be considered core game play improvements.

[NYyankz225]

Re: Joystiq Impressions: Madden NFL 10 (5/18)

Is that a negative against me?

Not a negative but you've admitted yourself that you're extremely hard on the game. It's not bad because it counters some of the people that are always extremely positive about the game. Maybe cynical is a better word. I'm just saying you look for the differences and call them out.

[PlyrzNumber1]

Re: Joystiq Impressions: Madden NFL 10 (5/18)

I am talking about the last 10 years not this particular article. Madden having a true pass pocket and developing a new tackling system should be considered core game play improvements.

Have you played the game, and experienced these new improvements first hand? Maybe they don't impact the game as much as the EA team is clamoring? Or is that simply not a possibility because the Dev team is on the message board now?

And call me crazy, but I expect a lot more then an accurate pocket forming. This is a company that has sold close to 7M copies each of the last 7 years. Multiply that by $60 and you see the kind've resources the team should have at their disposal.

No excuse for this game not to be revolutionizing the sports gaming genre every year.

[imthedan]

Re: Joystiq Impressions: Madden NFL 10 (5/18)

Well looks like nothing will change. Here's holding out for NFL2k12. :/

[grunt]

Re: Joystiq Impressions: Madden NFL 10 (5/18)

Have you played the game, and experienced these new improvements first hand? Maybe they don't impact the game as much as the EA team is clamoring? Or is that simply not a possibility because the Dev team is on the message board now?

And call me crazy, but I expect a lot more then an accurate pocket forming. This is a company that has sold close to 7M copies each of the last 7 years. Multiply that by $60 and you see the kind've resources the team should have at their disposal.

No excuse for this game not to be revolutionizing the sports gaming genre every year.

No, I haven't played the game but I am open to important game play improvements. So, I should be mad that Madden team is trying to produce a quality game?

I last revolutionizing football game didn't sell too well but it is the best playing football game to date.

[dougdeuce]

Re: Joystiq Impressions: Madden NFL 10 (5/18)

The magazines say silly stuff every year about Madden. A number of them praised Madden 08 as "the one"... the generation-defining Madden. a couple huge mags gave that game a 9.0. I just saw a recent article where some reviewers from the big mags were putting Madden 08 on it's all-time Madden great's list... But Madden 08 was flaming garbage as it was a broken mess with weak graphics... I can't even respect a reviewers view on football games after they've put that piece of junk in high esteem.

My point is that the magazines for the most part have very casual players reviewing these football games. They don't look for all the little nuances nor do they care. They don't care about the stuff we care about. So it's not a stretch to fathom that they wouldn't pick up on the difference in feel between 09 and 10... well, I think something would have to be wrong with a person's nervous system to not pick up on it, but given the mags track records on Madden reviews I can still believe they'd miss it. But when I tell you they're wrong, they're so dead wrong... they've become dust blown away in the wind; that's how dead wrong they are about this. If it weren't for their track records, I'd actually be stunned at hearing them say this. The only way they could be right is if EA completely changed everything about how the players moved, gamespeed, etc. since we left, and I sincerely doubt that happened.

Bottom line, when you get the game you'll see that it does feel different and does not play the same just in terms of feel alone... and it's tweakable to your liking. And nothing influenced me to feel that way, lol. I can tell the difference between a game that defied the laws of physics on every down (Madden 09) to one with weight and momentum playing a factor (Madden 10) and if didn't I would've said so. I spent all Winter talking about this and it was at the top of my agenda for Community Day.

I have nothing to lose by being truthful and nothing to gain by pretending. It is what it is and you'll see August 14th.

I like this review better...

[Boucher]

Re: Joystiq Impressions: Madden NFL 10 (5/18)

Well looks like nothing will change. Here's holding out for NFL2k12. :/

[PlyrzNumber1]

Re: Joystiq Impressions: Madden NFL 10 (5/18)

No, I haven't played the game but I am open to important game play improvements. So, I should be mad that Madden team is trying to produce a quality game?

I last revolutionizing football game didn't sell too well but it is the best playing football game to date.

This is what you call a straw man argument. I never said you should be mad that the team is trying to produce a quality game. I dont doubt Ian and his development team are doing everything in their power to increase the quality of the game, and never made a point to the contrary. I feel like there are obstacles out of their control that are truly holding the game back, but I digress.

You seem to be speaking about the gameplay improvements as if they're a matter of fact. Yet, you never played the game. This seemed like a contradiction, and I was merely pointing that out.

[KANE699]

Re: Joystiq Impressions: Madden NFL 10 (5/18)

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You are a joke.......... that is all.



Seriously I have no problem saying a good or bad thing about the game, there are plenty of errors and things that need to be fixed and for once you know what?

They are actually listening to me.

[CreatineKasey]

Re: Joystiq Impressions: Madden NFL 10 (5/18)

Good post, Watcher. I hope you are right about momentum. That is a massive sticking point for me, as I'm sure it is for you being a fellow 2k5 player.

[Derrville]

Re: Joystiq Impressions: Madden NFL 10 (5/18)

Another one.

In terms of executing a play, Madden NFL 10 feels similar to last year’s game. Those who have played the last few Madden games will have no troubles jumping in and running an offense or defense.