Madden NFL 10 Hands-On Preview (Joystiq)

[viewtifuljoe71]

Re: Joystiq Impressions: Madden NFL 10 (5/18)

The magazines say silly stuff every year about Madden. A number of them praised Madden 08 as "the one"... the generation-defining Madden. a couple huge mags gave that game a 9.0. I just saw a recent article where some reviewers from the big mags were putting Madden 08 on it's all-time Madden great's list... But Madden 08 was flaming garbage as it was a broken mess with weak graphics... I can't even respect a reviewers view on football games after they've put that piece of junk in high esteem.

My point is that the magazines for the most part have very casual players reviewing these football games. They don't look for all the little nuances nor do they care. They don't care about the stuff we care about. So it's not a stretch to fathom that they wouldn't pick up on the difference in feel between 09 and 10... well, I think something would have to be wrong with a person's nervous system to not pick up on it, but given the mags track records on Madden reviews I can still believe they'd miss it. But when I tell you they're wrong, they're so dead wrong... they've become dust blown away in the wind; that's how dead wrong they are about this. If it weren't for their track records, I'd actually be stunned at hearing them say this. The only way they could be right is if EA completely changed everything about how the players moved, gamespeed, etc. since we left, and I sincerely doubt that happened.

Bottom line, when you get the game you'll see that it does feel different and does not play the same just in terms of feel alone... and it's tweakable to your liking. And nothing influenced me to feel that way, lol. I can tell the difference between a game that defied the laws of physics on every down (Madden 09) to one with weight and momentum playing a factor (Madden 10) and if didn't I would've said so. I spent all Winter talking about this and it was at the top of my agenda for Community Day.

I have nothing to lose by being truthful and nothing to gain by pretending. It is what it is and you'll see August 14th.

That was beautiful man!! (tears of joy)

[Valdarez]

Re: Joystiq Impressions: Madden NFL 10 (5/18)

I never visit Joystiq, but that impressions article is weak, at best.

[Brnto4life]

Re: Joystiq Impressions: Madden NFL 10 (5/18)

I never visit Joystiq, but that impressions article is weak, at best.

It's just a hands-on preview. It's not really any different than the Gamespot article or any other article that is a one page blurb about an upcoming game.

Guys, PLEASE keep this thread clean so it doesn't get closed. I see that a few posts already have infractions. Chill out and don't let an article or another poster get the best of you.

[roadman]

Re: Joystiq Impressions: Madden NFL 10 (5/18)

Can you reference why you don't feel they did their due diligence before they commented on the game?

I think Joystiq has a pretty good track record with their commentary.

I am an avid gamer, and their opinion is usually well thought out, and spot on about a number of games in quite diverse genres.

Sure, no problem. Here's my issue with preview.

1. Not once did they mention a pocket forming, but their first picture has a pocket forming.

2. They mentioned EA is mode crazy. Maybe in the past, that was true, but Pro-Tak, franchise mode and Emotions of the NFL is going mode crazy. Plus, they didn't even go into depth about either mode.

3. No mention of refs on the field, chain gang, etc....

4. No mention of hand towels, SB art etc....

5. No mention of presentation upgrades in depth, for instance, new play screens, cleaner score interface, etc.......

Those are just off the top of my head.

Grade= incomplete job by a contributing writer.

[arseniotall]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Hands-On Preview (Joystiq)

the tendency is that most of these sites give MAdden scores that are way too high to begin with. So i think if one of these "crappy sites" start saying negative things about madden i think it SHOULD be considered and not dismissed.

[lint]

Re: Joystiq Impressions: Madden NFL 10 (5/18)

Another one.

Very Selective posting. Here is the piece you so appropriately left out.

In terms of executing a play, Madden NFL 10 feels similar to last year’s game. Those who have played the last few Madden games will have no troubles jumping in and running an offense or defense. The results of these plays in Madden NFL 10, however, are often different than in its predecessor.

Selective reading is fun.

[DONF]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Hands-On Preview (Joystiq)

So funny how folks just don't want to take the word of people who actually played the game. It is what it is. This was said last year about 09 with a few additions. What Madden has not felt like the past game??

[black mamba205]

Anytime a site says that a game plays like it predecessor, no matter how bad the previous game in the series, that does not always make it a bad thing. Think about it the only way its not going to play somewhat the same is if they re did the whole system, amd if I am recalling correctly that's what got Madden into this mess, redoing the way things were for the next-gen systems. So maybe its not such a bad thing to play like the old games. They also may have missed some of the new things. As long as the whole game is not the same it should be an improvement with the way the Madden team is going.

[roadman]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Hands-On Preview (Joystiq)

So funny how folks just don't want to take the word of people who actually played the game. It is what it is. This was said last year about 09 with a few additions. What Madden has not felt like the past game??

I am. I'm taking the word of the CD folks from OS vs questionable internet sites. No, sites like IGN gave Madden 8's and 9's, so, with your logic, how can you take these sites seriously?

[KingsRock91]

Re: Joystiq Impressions: Madden NFL 10 (5/18)

Well looks like nothing will change. Here's holding out for NFL2k12. :/

Honestly, in my opinion, Joystiq, Gamespot, IGN etc. can make comments on previews of the game, but there are two glaring issues:

1. Incomplete observations on new stuff (i.e. what roadman pointed out)
2. The game is still in Alpha

And I don't want to seem as a kiss ***, but what Ian and co. has revealed to us so far, does this comment really hold any merit?

we're glad to see that it's still moving forwards, even if it's only by inches.

Sure there are a select few who have actually played '10, but leaving out key, specific improvements as detailed by the main developer in a preview. I have faith in Adem, LBZrule, KANE, Joborule and all the rest who went to CD because as of recently, they have all been very critical of Madden. With similar interests in making Madden a more authentic football experience, word from those guys are more weighted to me than Joystiqs and IGNs.

I know for one I used to not be on OS and had no idea what was meant by the all familiar, vague term "enhanced graphics and animations". So my final opinion is to don't listen to websites. Read what the team reveals in the blogs, look at all the videos and screenshots, and formulate your own opinion.
You can put stock in game previews, your choice, I can't stop you.
Just my two cents.

[spankdatazz22]

Re: Joystiq Impressions: Madden NFL 10 (5/18)

Sure, no problem. Here's my issue with preview.

1. Not once did they mention a pocket forming, but their first picture has a pocket forming.

2. They mentioned EA is mode crazy. Maybe in the past, that was true, but Pro-Tak, franchise mode and Emotions of the NFL is going mode crazy. Plus, they didn't even go into depth about either mode.

3. No mention of refs on the field, chain gang, etc....

4. No mention of hand towels, SB art etc....

5. No mention of presentation upgrades in depth, for instance, new play screens, cleaner score interface, etc.......

Those are just off the top of my head.

Grade= incomplete job by a contributing writer.

Some of the things you mention - by many forum members' own admittance - long should've been in the game anyway. So these things deserve mention now that they're being done? The argument could be made that these things should be expected on some level and don't necessarily deserve special notice.

Either way, come review time people will look to have their views reinforced. Despite IGN's history at overrating the game, I'm sure if they give Madden a 9+, those that feel the game deserves that rating will view their opinion as legitimate. If IGN gives it a sub-8 score, those same people will say IGN's full of idiots. And the same vice versa for people that aren't that enamored with the game. As someone else mentioned earlier though, it will be interesting if various gaming sites finally start taking a look at the game with more scrutiny - a trend that sort of started last year with '09

[funnygunny]

Re: Joystiq Impressions: Madden NFL 10 (5/18)

The people saying Madden plays the same as last year are people that played less than 10 games of Madden '09. I guarantee it.

Places like G4 and Joystiq are not the most reliable when it comes to sports gaming. They're better for analyzing World of Warcraft type stuff or "The Sims."

joystiq sucks overall..hands down

[Valdarez]

Re: Joystiq Impressions: Madden NFL 10 (5/18)

If IGN gives it a sub-8 score, those same people will say IGN's full of idiots.

Can't speak for others, but I have stated for the record on multiple occasions, across multiple sites (not just here on OS), that IGN's reviews are not to be trusted. Their staff has a track record of failing to complete games prior to reviews, using partial game evidence to provide whole reviews resulting in uniformed view points that are typically biased one way or another depending on the reviewer.

[spankdatazz22]

Re: Joystiq Impressions: Madden NFL 10 (5/18)

Can't speak for others, but I have stated for the record on multiple occasions, across multiple sites (not just here on OS), that IGN's reviews are not to be trusted. Their staff has a track record of failing to complete games prior to reviews, using partial game evidence to provide whole reviews resulting in uniformed view points that are typically biased one way or another depending on the reviewer.

I gave up on IGN years ago in part because their sports games reviews were so off-base for so long. But you really could go down the line with these sites. TeamXBox said Madden '08's gameplay "was a 9.8" back in the day. The folks at Gametrailers seem to give mostly thoughtful video reviews, but when you watch them play it's head-scratching. Gamespot is always all over the place.

[grunt]

Re: Joystiq Impressions: Madden NFL 10 (5/18)

I gave up on IGN years ago in part because their sports games reviews were so off-base for so long. But you really could go down the line with these sites. TeamXBox said Madden '08's gameplay "was a 9.8" back in the day. The folks at Gametrailers seem to give mostly thoughtful video reviews, but when you watch them play it's head-scratching. Gamespot is always all over the place.

I felt that even OS scores were inflated for the Madden series. When Madden was really bad this gen where were the bad scores. Game play takes a back seat relative to features and graphics. Just read and watch the reviews for APF. Great game play takes a longer time to evaluate and most reviewers don't have the time.