Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

[roadman]

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i understand what your saying in us not giving him enough credit, but i think your giving him too much..what happens if vinatieri misses...then what??


edit: for the record i'm a brady fan being a michigan lover, but the tuck rule...all this crap with spygate...when the play breaks down he's nowhere to be found..facts are facts..i'd LOVE to see brady on the raiders and see if he would of had any success at all..he was perfect for the system and he did his job..as any good football player should..but he wouldn't be able to do his job in ANY system..like a great player would..that's the point i'm trying to make.

I understand what you are saying, but you can't blame Brady for the Tuck Rule or Spygate. It's just because he is associated with both.

Did Brady make the call? Did he write the rule?

Spygate, that is all on his coach, not Brady.

Plus, we don't know if Brady wouldn't succeed in any other system, that is all pure speculation.

[NovaStar]

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To Shotgun.

"I didn't get an answer about this from another poster, so I'll ask you: How is throwing 6 yard flat routes to wide open HBs who are playing against PREVENT DEFENSES, making "clutch throws"? Manning to Tyree was a clutch throw. McNabb on 4th and 26 was a clutch throw. Roethlisberger to Holmes in the corner to WIN the Superbowl was a clutch throw. All of these throws had a level of difficulty to them. Brady's drives came on VERY routine, low risk passes and he made NO ATTEMPT to score himself."

Andy says: that's not clutch.



I answered you, but maybe you didn't get what I was saying. You are using twisted logic, which therefore makes your opinion twisted (i.e. your bias against Brady) which makes your responses borderline insane.

Now, again, we are speaking of football (NFL), not football, soccer. In american football, the job of the qb on a pass play and/or audible to a pass play, is to read the defense. If the defense gives you an hb swing pass as a viable option, being a great qb (or at least a competent one) causes you to use that option, especially if it gets you necessary yardage to put you in fg range, or to get a first down, you know, move the chains.

If an nfl qb does this often enough (this, being defined as moving the chains in big games) and wins multiple SB's while doing so (included in this would be throwing mid range, deep passes, precision passes, and timing passes) he is great, in the eye of an unbiased, rational thinking, american. I give you a pass because you obviously are from europe, because you keep confusing the two footballs. In American football, Brady is great. In european football (soccer) he isn't. Maybe as the NFL continues to play games across the pond you will gain a better understanding of the NFL, and what it takes to be considered a great qb. Mate.

[shotgun styles]

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I answered you, but maybe you didn't get what I was saying. You are using twisted logic, which therefore makes your opinion twisted (i.e. your bias against Brady) which makes your responses borderline insane.

Now, again, we are speaking of football (NFL), not football, soccer. In american football, the job of the qb on a pass play and/or audible to a pass play, is to read the defense. If the defense gives you an hb swing pass as a viable option, being a great qb (or at least a competent one) causes you to use that option, especially if it gets you necessary yardage to put you in fg range, or to get a first down, you know, move the chains.

If an nfl qb does this often enough (this, being defined as moving the chains in big games) and wins multiple SB's while doing so (included in this would be throwing mid range, deep passes, precision passes, and timing passes) he is great, in the eye of an unbiased, rational thinking, american. I give you a pass because you obviously are from europe, because you keep confusing the two footballs. In American football, Brady is great. In european football (soccer) he isn't. Maybe as the NFL continues to play games across the pond you will gain a better understanding of the NFL, and what it takes to be considered a great qb. Mate.

To be perfectly honest, I would be a horrible European. I've been there. It's WAY too cold for me. Cool stuff there, lots of history, but I live for the sunshine and there's precious little of it in Europe.

Witty banter aside, and back tot he discussion, you and some other posters seem to misunderstand me. I do NOT have an "anti-Brady" bias. Brady is the best at what he does. My bias is against the NFL's rules that produced a fraud like Tom Brady in the first place.

If the rules are fair, and offenses have to play on the same level as defenses in the NFL, the Tom Brady's of the world never come into being. He goes into coaching and someone more talented becomes a QB. Unfortunately, offenses are getting a free pass and the result is a bunch of massively overrated system QBs are taking the NFL by storm.

Imagine that after the Bulls won their first 2 championships in the 1990s the NBA banned them from dunking and shooting 3 pointers. Not the whole NBA, just the Bulls in order to make it more fair for the rest of the league. Instead of winning 6 championships, now maybe they only win 3. Would you respect the teams that beat the Bulls, knowing that the rules were adjusted just to slow them down?

This is EXACTLY what has happened to NFL defenses. They have had their hands tied, and offenses have been given the green light to blatantly cheat in order to succeed. Thus, all of these so called "records" are fake. It would be like allowing offensive players to take steroids, but not defenses. If that happened, would you respect all these passing records? Probably not.

So what's the difference between giving someone a chemically induced unfair advantage and giving someone rule based unfair advantage?

[Obelysk]

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To be perfectly honest, I would be a horrible European. I've been there. It's WAY too cold for me. Cool stuff there, lots of history, but I live for the sunshine and there's precious little of it in Europe.

Witty banter aside, and back tot he discussion, you and some other posters seem to misunderstand me. I do NOT have an "anti-Brady" bias. Brady is the best at what he does. My bias is against the NFL's rules that produced a fraud like Tom Brady in the first place.

If the rules are fair, and offenses have to play on the same level as defenses in the NFL, the Tom Brady's of the world never come into being. He goes into coaching and someone more talented becomes a QB. Unfortunately, offenses are getting a free pass and the result is a bunch of massively overrated system QBs are taking the NFL by storm.

Imagine that after the Bulls won their first 2 championships in the 1990s the NBA banned them from dunking and shooting 3 pointers. Not the whole NBA, just the Bulls in order to make it more fair for the rest of the league. Instead of winning 6 championships, now maybe they only win 3. Would you respect the teams that beat the Bulls, knowing that the rules were adjusted just to slow them down?

This is EXACTLY what has happened to NFL defenses. They have had their hands tied, and offenses have been given the green light to blatantly cheat in order to succeed. Thus, all of these so called "records" are fake. It would be like allowing offensive players to take steroids, but not defenses. If that happened, would you respect all these passing records? Probably not.

So what's the difference between giving someone a chemically induced unfair advantage and giving someone rule based unfair advantage?

You say you have no bais againts Brady yet you call him a "fraud." Look there is ZERO proof that Brady would not succeed if they took away roughing the passer, or the little cushions that the WRS get but that was becuase we beat the snot out of the Colts. I actually agree with you on the stance that the offenses get waaaaaay too much pampering, I am more of a defensive minded person actually and its highly furstrating seeing the amount of bias that offenses get.

[roadman]

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To be perfectly honest, I would be a horrible European. I've been there. It's WAY too cold for me. Cool stuff there, lots of history, but I live for the sunshine and there's precious little of it in Europe.

Witty banter aside, and back tot he discussion, you and some other posters seem to misunderstand me. I do NOT have an "anti-Brady" bias. Brady is the best at what he does. My bias is against the NFL's rules that produced a fraud like Tom Brady in the first place.

If the rules are fair, and offenses have to play on the same level as defenses in the NFL, the Tom Brady's of the world never come into being. He goes into coaching and someone more talented becomes a QB. Unfortunately, offenses are getting a free pass and the result is a bunch of massively overrated system QBs are taking the NFL by storm.

Imagine that after the Bulls won their first 2 championships in the 1990s the NBA banned them from dunking and shooting 3 pointers. Not the whole NBA, just the Bulls in order to make it more fair for the rest of the league. Instead of winning 6 championships, now maybe they only win 3. Would you respect the teams that beat the Bulls, knowing that the rules were adjusted just to slow them down?

This is EXACTLY what has happened to NFL defenses. They have had their hands tied, and offenses have been given the green light to blatantly cheat in order to succeed. Thus, all of these so called "records" are fake. It would be like allowing offensive players to take steroids, but not defenses. If that happened, would you respect all these passing records? Probably not.

So what's the difference between giving someone a chemically induced unfair advantage and giving someone rule based unfair advantage?

So, the system and the rules are unfair to you and Brady is a still a fraud? It's all subjective whether the rules are fair or not. Sounds like your blaming the Tuck Rule and calling out Brady for being a fraud because of the Tuck Rule.

It isn't smash mouth football anymore, that was a different time and a different era. Brady is over-rated because he isn't a QB of yesteryear?

The game changes from decade to decade.

If you don't have an agenda or bias against Brady, knock off the fraud crap.

The system or rules don't suit you, find another sport to rally around, like baseball. There is a game where the rules have never changed and frauds like Paul Molitor , Trever Hoffman, Kent Tukulve, Rollie Fingers, and Bruce Sutter because there never was a DH rule and save specialist didn't come into the 70's.

All the above players are over-rated HOF's (except Tukulve, threw him in there because of the Pirates) that are system players only. They couldn't survive in the Hank Aaron or Babe Ruth, era.

[rbowlden]

WOW, no love for my giants!? Jacobs is the only one on the team in the top ten, and he is #9, not looking good...

[shotgun styles]

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So, the system and the rules are unfair to you and Brady is a still a fraud? It's all subjective whether the rules are fair or not. Sounds like your blaming the Tuck Rule and calling out Brady for being a fraud because of the Tuck Rule.

It isn't smash mouth football anymore, that was a different time and a different era. Brady is over-rated because he isn't a QB of yesteryear?

The game changes from decade to decade.

If you don't have an agenda or bias against Brady, knock off the fraud crap.

The system or rules don't suit you, find another sport to rally around, like baseball. There is a game where the rules have never changed and frauds like Paul Molitor , Trever Hoffman, Kent Tukulve, Rollie Fingers, and Bruce Sutter because there never was a DH rule and save specialist didn't come into the 70's.

All the above players are over-rated HOF's (except Tukulve, threw him in there because of the Pirates) that are system players only. They couldn't survive in the Hank Aaron or Babe Ruth, era.

Where did I say anything about the "tuck rule"?

Here's my position on the passing rules:

1) Throwing the ball away is cheating. Moreover it's a display of cowardice. Rule should be removed, and intentional grounding should be strictly enforced. This includes throwing the ball at a receiver's feet, and throwing the ball out of the end zone to avoid a sack.

2) Sliding is cowardice. Rule should be removed.

3) The five yard chuck rule is a joke, no one should be running down field unopposed. Pushing, shoving, and the offensive push-off should all be legal. Holding, and hitting someone you're not engaged with (head hunting) are the only things that should be fouls.

4) Cut blocking ACTUALLY IS dangerous and should be banned for safety reasons.

5) Touching the QB's helmet after swatting at his pass should not be a roughing call.

6) Hitting the QB below the waist (new Brady rule) should not be a roughing call.

7) If defensive pass interference is going to be a spot foul, making it a devastating call, then offensive pass interference should be a loss of down penalty making it equally devastating.

8) Enforce the existing rule against pick plays. This rule is on the books, but by edict of the NFL brass it is not enforced. It should be. Pick plays are offensive pass interference, and pass interference is cheating.

Will this lower the scoring? Yes, but football was never meant to be a high scoring game. That was a marketing decision made to sell more tickets. If you really want more scoring to make the game more exciting to casual fans, don't make the rules unfair, just make a first down 5 yards instead of 10. Then the scores will be higher, turnovers will be at a bigger premium, and defenses can still play at full speed.

[totalownership]

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WOW, no love for my giants!? Jacobs is the only one on the team in the top ten, and he is #9, not looking good...

Yeah looking kinda rough for us this year. I'm worried all over again for this game though, large ratings discrepancies usually equal arcade play

[Americas Team1]

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WTF no Barber?

[Americas Team1]

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I think the ratings guys are a bunch of Cowboys haters.

[totalownership]

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I think the ratings guys are a bunch of Cowboys haters.

you're kidding right?

[roadman]

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Where did I say anything about the "tuck rule"?

Here's my position on the passing rules:

1) Throwing the ball away is cheating. Moreover it's a display of cowardice. Rule should be removed, and intentional grounding should be strictly enforced. This includes throwing the ball at a receiver's feet, and throwing the ball out of the end zone to avoid a sack.

2) Sliding is cowardice. Rule should be removed.

3) The five yard chuck rule is a joke, no one should be running down field unopposed. Pushing, shoving, and the offensive push-off should all be legal. Holding, and hitting someone you're not engaged with (head hunting) are the only things that should be fouls.

4) Cut blocking ACTUALLY IS dangerous and should be banned for safety reasons.

5) Touching the QB's helmet after swatting at his pass should not be a roughing call.

6) Hitting the QB below the waist (new Brady rule) should not be a roughing call.

7) If defensive pass interference is going to be a spot foul, making it a devastating call, then offensive pass interference should be a loss of down penalty making it equally devastating.

8) Enforce the existing rule against pick plays. This rule is on the books, but by edict of the NFL brass it is not enforced. It should be. Pick plays are offensive pass interference, and pass interference is cheating.

Will this lower the scoring? Yes, but football was never meant to be a high scoring game. That was a marketing decision made to sell more tickets. If you really want more scoring to make the game more exciting to casual fans, don't make the rules unfair, just make a first down 5 yards instead of 10. Then the scores will be higher, turnovers will be at a bigger premium, and defenses can still play at full speed.

Agree with some, disagree on some as well.

I agree with 3, 4, 5 and 8.

1. Throwing the ball away is not always avoiding the sack, especially close to the goal line. If all receivers are covered, why risk a throw and throw an INT. A mistake laden game becomes a real bore fest. I'd rather watch a 13-10 game, but if I had my choice, I'd rather watch a 28-27 game vs a game with a ton of Int's.

2 and others. We all know why sliding is accepted for the QB. It's to preserve the career of the most marketable position on the team. Don't you think Favre has preserved because of some of these rules? Would you like a Ben R or Peyton Manning become injury riddled if the rules were allowed to not protect them?

I agree to a certain point that the offense has less stringent rules vs defense, but those rules are in place for a reason. The NFL doesn't want the most marketable position on the field to have a short career because of injury issues. The NFL makes more money on a healthy marketable QB vs a injury prone QB.

Don't blame your so called over rated QB's, they play within the rules. Write letters or email Pete Rozelle or Roger Goddell. There is no need to call QB's over rated or frauds because they play within the rules of the game they represent.

[roadman]

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Yeah looking kinda rough for us this year. I'm worried all over again for this game though, large ratings discrepancies usually equal arcade play

I disagree with that.

The arcade play was when ratings were closer together and the ratings didn't mean anything. Now, it appears they mean something.

[Broncos86]

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Yeah looking kinda rough for us this year. I'm worried all over again for this game though, large ratings discrepancies usually equal arcade play

Everyone will always and forever complain about the ratings. The players themselves even gripe about wanting more speed, etc. Everybody is a homer and wants to see their team rated well.

I'm rather pleased that a "70" rating is the new "80." Ratings will mean more and have a larger impact. Gaining one point will be more significant.

[Americas Team1]

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you're kidding right?

NO. sry but Romo has better TP then both Warner and Brees.They dropped MB3 from the top ten for Jacobs.(MB3's a Cowboy and jacobs a giant...Witten ONLY a 88 for catching,ONLY a 92 for CIT,ONLY a 75 speed? He should have about 95 catching 96 CIT and about 80 speed.And come on just give D-Ware the 99 he SHOULD have.