Madden 10: Did EA Press Reset? (Joystiq)

[MarkAdrianPI]

Why are so many OSers angry at Joystiq? Did they lie about anything? Did they not state the facts? Why should EA be mad? They weren't mad when they lost me as a fan. They were not mad when there game gets hate mail from fans. How do I know that, easy, they keep releasing the same product each year.

My take is Madden built up a loyal following by eliminating there competition through illegal means(Look it up people) and now they are technically the only game in town.Not because they were better. Like fans of sports teams, it's either support the team or support nothing. Isn't democracy wonderful.

It's common for people to defend something they love, but if you OSers stop and think, Madden has not improved there game since NFL2k series went down and even slightly before that. Come on QB vision? Playmaker?

So Joystiq criticized what everyone knows and the Madden fans just can't accept it. EA takes advantage of people who are addicts of the game. They know it and bank on it. I am very disappointed in OSers who seem to hate people for pointing out the many faults of EA and Madden. If no one criticizes how can Madden improve? I highly doubt EA care anyhow, just look at the past 5 Madden games, but heck Madden keeps selling like hotcakes what do people like me and Joystiq possibly know. "What the economy isn't improving, lets give the banks more money, that will solve everything(people who are knowledgeable will get that joke as it apply s' to EA/Madden)"

[tmulk]

Re: Wow, Joystiq rights a "wrong"...

If people are ticked off, it's because the joystiq preview (and today's feeble attempt to correct the record) are examples of extremely poor journalism.

Poor Journalism implies they are professional writers to begin with, not some pissed off jackass who got beat up by football players in highschool with an online videogame blog.

[Bgamer90]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA Press Reset? (Joystiq)

Why are so many OSers angry at Joystiq? Did they lie about anything? Did they not state the facts? Why should EA be mad?

In their previous article they said that "The emotion of the NFL" was a new game mode which it isn't....

They weren't mad when they lost me as a fan. They were not mad when there game gets hate mail from fans. How do I know that, easy, they keep releasing the same product each year.


My take is Madden built up a loyal following by eliminating there competition through illegal means(Look it up people) and now they are technically the only game in town.Not because they were better. Like fans of sports teams, it's either support the team or support nothing. Isn't democracy wonderful.

It's common for people to defend something they love, but if you OSers stop and think, Madden has not improved there game since NFL2k series went down and even slightly before that. Come on QB vision? Playmaker?

Even if you don't like Madden, to say that it hasn't improved AT ALL is just wrong especially if you are saying it didn't during the PS2/Xbox days...

So Joystiq criticized what everyone knows and the Madden fans just can't accept it. EA takes advantage of people who are addicts of the game. They know it and bank on it. I am very disappointed in OSers who seem to hate people for pointing out the many faults of EA and Madden. If no one criticizes how can Madden improve? I highly doubt EA care anyhow, just look at the past 5 Madden games, but heck Madden keeps selling like hotcakes what do people like me and Joystiq possibly know. "What the economy isn't improving, lets give the banks more money, that will solve everything(people who are knowledgeable will get that joke as it apply s' to EA/Madden)"

Here's the thing that's funny... just about everyone that didn't like the preview hasn't like the way madden has been this gen (me included) and has talked about the things we didn't like about it here on OS so I don't get why so many people are saying that the "madden lovers" are the ones that didn't like the article.

The reason why people don't like it is mainly because it was obvious that the guy had no interest in sports games. He basically said it in the article. And he also talked about previous madden games instead of talking about his personal experience with Madden 10. Like that isn't really a preview or a hands-on in any way. All the previews stated something that was wrong with the game in it's build, so again, there has been no preview that was 100% positive.

It seems like the joystiq articles are becoming nothing but a back up for the people who had nothing but doubts about Madden 10 which I find kind of funny since it would seem like the same ones would have gotten the negative stuff from other articles (and maybe make them seem bigger than what they really are).

[Brnto4life]

Re: Wow, Joystiq rights a "wrong"...

Poor Journalism implies they are professional writers to begin with, not some pissed off jackass who got beat up by football players in highschool with an online videogame blog.

How on earth could you possibly know anything about these writers?

This is one of the most ridiculous statements I've heard about Joystiq. These guys are good at what they do (and usually quite comical), but they have one poorly written article about Madden and you freak out.

The article didn't sound like it came from a "pissed off jackass", rather a gamer who simply doesn't care about sports game for many of the same reasons us Madden players have begun to lose interest.

Chill out a bit and reread your post before you hit "submit reply" next time.

[celg35]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA Press Reset? (Joystiq)

maybe these guys at joystick worked for the 2k series, and this is how their getting back at EA.

sounds like the first article was written on false pretenses and the second article was a feeble attempt to supply some ammunition to its previous findings.

we are all true die hard football gamers here........i'm not so sure Joystick is on that mental level when it comes to football gaming.


to put it in perspective, its like a veterinarian critiquing the latest advances in cardiothoracic surgey in humans.

they both know medicine , but one of them knows what is truly best

[Bgamer90]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA Press Reset? (Joystiq)

maybe these guys at joystick worked for the 2k series, and this is how their getting back at EA.

sounds like the first article was written on false pretenses and the second article was a feeble attempt to supply some ammunition to its previous findings.

we are all true die hard football gamers here........i'm not so sure Joystick is on that mental level when it comes to football gaming.


to put it in perspective, its like a veterinarian critiquing the latest advances in cardiothoracic surgey in humans.

they both know medicine , but one of them knows what is truly best

Now I doubt these guys are 2k fanboys lol...

If they don't want to talk about madden and hate the usual yearly talk about it and it's basically the only sports game they talk about, then I wouldn't see why they would have any more interest in games made by 2k.

It's obvious that they are not that interested in sports games...

[GTheorenHobbes]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA Press Reset? (Joystiq)

I don't have any problems with the Joystiq articles. Madden and NCAA have been on auto-pilot for years. It's about time a major media outlet called them out on it. God knows the Pasta Padre's and the IGN's of the world are never going to do it, not when it could mean they wouldn't get invited to the next all expense paid EA community event.

[Bgamer90]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA Press Reset? (Joystiq)

I don't have any problems with the Joystiq articles. Madden and NCAA have been on auto-pilot for years. It's about time a major media outlet called them out on it. God knows the Pasta Padre's and the IGN's of the world are never going to do it, not when it could mean they wouldn't get invited to the next all expense paid EA community event.

But what people have to realize is that a lot of the criticism that is in the article is from the wirter not being interested in the game.

Like for example, I have absolutely no interest in soap operas (lol kind of a stretch but work with me here). If I was given the duty of writing an article about soap operas, it would be negative from the gate and contain no good info about the characters and stuff that's going on in them since I'm not interested in them. I would probably find some generic/basic episode guides online to use for it and try to stretch that out the best way I can and call it a day.

The same can be said for this. The guy has no interest for madden and never really has, so he's obviously going to say why he has no interest for the game while tieing in basic descriptions about the features of the game.

Back to the soap opera example, if I worte an article on them and said something wrong in it, soap opera fans would just disregard my article becuase of it.

The previous joystiq article got things wrong about madden 10, so it's surprising to see so many take this article (and the previous one) 100% serious.

[Sauk]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA Press Reset? (Joystiq)

I don't have any problems with the Joystiq articles. Madden and NCAA have been on auto-pilot for years. It's about time a major media outlet called them out on it. God knows the Pasta Padre's and the IGN's of the world are never going to do it, not when it could mean they wouldn't get invited to the next all expense paid EA community event.

Bingo!

[countryboy]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA press reset? (Joystiq)

isn't Madden 10 the first time Ian has been Lead Designer?

yes

[JHova1982]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA Press Reset? (Joystiq)

But what people have to realize is that a lot of the criticism that is in the article is from the wirter not being interested in the game.

Like for example, I have absolutely no interest in soap operas (lol kind of a stretch but work with me here). If I was given the duty of writing an article about soap operas, it would be negative from the gate and contain no good info about the characters and stuff that's going on in them since I'm not interested in them. I would probably find some generic/basic episode guides online to use for it and try to stretch that out the best way I can and call it a day.

The same can be said for this. The guy has no interest for madden and never really has, so he's obviously going to say why he has no interest for the game while tieing in basic descriptions about the features of the game.

Back to the soap opera example, if I worte an article on them and said something wrong in it, soap opera fans would just disregard my article becuase of it.

The previous joystiq article got things wrong about madden 10, so it's surprising to see so many take this article (and the previous one) 100% serious.

i dont blame Joystiq article at all. i mean madden NEXT GEN was a disgrace to video games and NFL football. i mean regardless of the new dev team for madden, THE PAST COMES BACK TO HAUNT, and people like joystiq and myself is not going to forget what next gen madden has put us through.

im not convinced until i see the overall product coming august 14.

[Bgamer90]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA Press Reset? (Joystiq)

i dont blame Joystiq article at all. i mean madden NEXT GEN was a disgrace to video games and NFL football. i mean regardless of the new dev team for madden, THE PAST COMES BACK TO HAUNT, and people like joystiq and myself is not going to forget what next gen madden has put us through.

Yeah that's true.

What I'm saying though is that that type of stuff isn't really suited for a preview of madden 10. That stuff is more suited for a "overview of madden this gen" type of article IMO.

[GTheorenHobbes]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA Press Reset? (Joystiq)

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Originally Posted by droopizzle34

isn't Madden 10 the first time Ian has been Lead Designer?

yes
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True...But someone posted a link over on the NCAA boards showing that Ian was the main man in charge of gameplay for NCAA 09, which isn't exactly comforting.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...sponse-ea.html

[SAMKAVELI NFL FOOTBALL]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA Press Reset? (Joystiq)

Why are so many OSers angry at Joystiq? Did they lie about anything? Did they not state the facts? Why should EA be mad? They weren't mad when they lost me as a fan. They were not mad when there game gets hate mail from fans. How do I know that, easy, they keep releasing the same product each year.

My take is Madden built up a loyal following by eliminating there competition through illegal means(Look it up people) and now they are technically the only game in town.Not because they were better. Like fans of sports teams, it's either support the team or support nothing. Isn't democracy wonderful.

It's common for people to defend something they love, but if you OSers stop and think, Madden has not improved there game since NFL2k series went down and even slightly before that. Come on QB vision? Playmaker?

So Joystiq criticized what everyone knows and the Madden fans just can't accept it. EA takes advantage of people who are addicts of the game. They know it and bank on it. I am very disappointed in OSers who seem to hate people for pointing out the many faults of EA and Madden. If no one criticizes how can Madden improve? I highly doubt EA care anyhow, just look at the past 5 Madden games, but heck Madden keeps selling like hotcakes what do people like me and Joystiq possibly know. "What the economy isn't improving, lets give the banks more money, that will solve everything(people who are knowledgeable will get that joke as it apply s' to EA/Madden)"

well said, EA should just not renew the contract with the NFL. they need competition the Madden games this gen have been crap. in from the looks of 10, the game will not be that much better then 09.

what they need to do is start working on a new engine for the PS4/Xbox 720 or get some guys who used to work on the 2k games to come in and help them fix there animations system.

one of the devs said that APF 2k8 had "cartoony" animations well they really need to "cartoony" up there animations because the outdated robotic system they have now will not cut it. its sad when they still struggle to out do a game that's 99 cents and a game that came out two years ago just sad. I think I'll save my 60 in just gamefly Madden 10 until they can improve this product.

I know I'm going to be called a ***** but I really don't give a s**t

[Bgamer90]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA Press Reset? (Joystiq)

well said, EA should just not renew the contract with the NFL. they need competition the Madden games this gen have been crap. in from the looks of 10, the game will not be that much better then 09.

what they need to do is start working on a new engine for the PS4/Xbox 720 or get some guys who used to work on the 2k games to come in and help them fix there animations system.

one of the devs said that APF 2k8 had "cartoony" animations well they really need to "cartoony" up there animations because the outdated robotic system they have now will not cut it. its sad when they still struggle to out do a game that's 99 cents and a game that came out two years ago just sad. I think I'll save my 60 in just gamefly Madden 10 until they can improve this product.

I know I'm going to be called a ***** but I really don't give a s**t

So you are going to make a final judgement based on a edited two minute clip of a game that is still being worked on?