Madden 10: Did EA Press Reset? (Joystiq)

[lgxjames]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA press reset? (Joystiq)

ya know ian has a blog about the engine topic, looks like some shud check it out

[shift9k]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA Press Reset? (Joystiq)

It's easy to "talk the talk", but now when it's time to "walk the walk", he walks AWAY!

wierd isnt it?

[Swingking77]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA Press Reset? (Joystiq)

There really needed to be more customer support as far as patchs went last year. There were so many issues in that game that just didn't work as they should have. From time clock issues, to glarring issues like the QB cheat and FB dives which to this day still run rampant in the games... Freezing! Complete freezing in games, durring loading, and other MAJOR issues last year were a total short comming and really put a nail in the coffin for most people who really did give the game a try... But that was all last year!

I find it odd though that Ian would have left on such short notice. There must have been something said at some point in time which must have struck a nerve. Be it a personal attack or simply people not buying into what he was trying to sell. Maybe there really isn't anything more to say. Nothing with more impact to sell... Maybe what we see is what we get and since there's no more dog and pony show to sell, why keep taking the abuse which will no doubt keep comming. Either way, the end result was the same. He's gone, or so someone has said, since I haven't read anything from him directly on the board...

The one constant that I find funny though is that the entier "wait for it, wait for it" maybe never arrived. And now that something that they thought was going to be huge, like Co-Op, has fallen on the floor with a thud, it's time to bail out... I'm not saying that's the case, but everytime that something new comes out about the game, something touted as being huge in their eyes came out, people took it as nice to have this year, but not something that really makes that much of a big deal in the end. I tend to agree with whom ever said increase the production cycle. Add a year, giving more time to develop stuff that matters. Heck you could even charge for the new years DLC rosters if you need that much money. But at the very least, give us a game that works. Playing a busted game with two people at once just means that two more people are going to be mad when it freezes or if they get screwed over by cheap plays...

Thus far, I'm excited. It LOOKS great. It looks like things are headed in the right direction. Playing it will be the determining factor, I think for most people. People should rent it first, and play it for a solid week. Based on what you see, you should then decide to buy it or pass on it... The Gamespots aren't even giving out extra stuff for pre-orders of Madden anymore, so why bother. By it on merit. Not out of compulsion.

This year, however, as a strategy I've heard from several sources, the complaints about Madden will not be headed only to EA's customer service, but to the NFL, it's an official NFL product and as such, they must be held accountable for the products they licence. At the very least, we have two years. This one, the next one, and then pending a new deal, 2012... Just in time for the world to end...

[roadman]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA Press Reset? (Joystiq)

I must have missed the news that Madden 10 is out in the stores already.

Ian's not going anywhere except for E3.

There were 5 or 6 people that were banned at OS within 24 hrs. I think Ian will return when the dust settles.

[spankdatazz22]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA press reset? (Joystiq)

I actually agree about the engine issue. The team isn't really the problem IMO, it's the engine. Take a look at 2k8. It's gameplay is superior to Madden and that's all thanks to VC's engine.

Of course, reinventing a new engine this late in the game would cause some serious issues/hiccups, but it's probably the only way Madden will ever get back to the PS2 games of the past.

It's the teams that have created these game engines though. Tiburon has been developing Madden for umpteen years now; the game has gone in the direction they've chosen to take it. And this year we've heard repeatedly how great the new technologies are that they're developing. If we're still able to look at older and/or last gen games as equal or better at this point, then they deserve to be clowned.

[bkrich83]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA Press Reset? (Joystiq)

as jack Nicholson joker said If you gotta go out Go out with a BANG HAHA tjizzle keep laughing homie this site has to much dickriding for a greedy company like EA.

If you want to go out with a bang, at least come up with some original material. You're just recycling the same old crap we've heard for the last 3 years

[roadman]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA press reset? (Joystiq)

It's the teams that have created these game engines though. Tiburon has been developing Madden for umpteen years now; the game has gone in the direction they've chosen to take it. And this year we've heard repeatedly how great the new technologies are that they're developing. If we're still able to look at older and/or last gen games as equal or better at this point, then they deserve to be clowned.

To be fair, don't you think we should make the determination after 10 is out.

Plus, the mantra that Ian stated in February, What you see on Sunday, Ian clarified he meant not everything will be in 10. He said he meant 10 and beyond.

Justified or not, I think people are putting too much expectations on Madden 10 surpassing or equaling last gen games. It will take more than one development cycle to equal or surpass last gen games.

[TheCreep]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA Press Reset? (Joystiq)

All of ya done went nuts. This **** is purely subjective. Me myself, I think Madden 09 is the BUSINESS. NCAA too. My games play out spectacular man. Honestly, I dont have to many complaints.

Game is being slowed down this year, and a gang of sliders are being implemented, thats all I needed. 09 was a tad too twitchy and fast, but I still managed to have great franchise seasons.

I'm trying to figure out where the disconnect between users is, its confusing me. Most agree that Madden 06 and 07 weren't good games ,but the next year is where the disconnect comes in. I've been trying to figure this out for myself.

Let me break it down. Pretty much everybody loves 2k5 correct? Myself included, which means we must have the same taste in football games right? Then, we all say that Madden 06 and 07 were garbage (we still have the same tastes). Now......How in the world can we all say the same thing about 2k5, and Madden 06 and 07, but then when 08 comes out, I absolutely love that ****, but alot of ya are not liking it?

See what I'm saying? We have to have the same taste, seeing our outlook on 2005 up to 2007. However, with 08 and 09, I most def observed greatness on the way, while many here still acting up and talking down.

I dont know, I honestly think that some folks just wanna hate on EA for some reason. I just get that vibe when I read some of ya posts. I just sense a bias in there (I know that sounds strange seeing that these are just typed words) but I sense it all the same.

Its like the United States of Wide America, superpower man, and the haters come out flyin planes into buildings n ****. I think thats what EA is gettin. Some of yall just hatin cause they're runnin things, flat out. Its like J say "Please leave it alone, dont throw rocks at the thrown" for real.

Myself (and I'm sure MANY others) aint studyin nothing some of yall cats are talking about. 08 was the start of it, 09 was the ****, and 10 is about to be filthy raw. I cant wait to get my hands on all EA sports titles this year, they're smashing everything in they're path. If you're not gettin on the ride, get out the way. This is a Madden forum, you aint feelin em, thats find and dandy. State your opinion then bounce.

[celg35]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA Press Reset? (Joystiq)

wow , how many others after reading that post starting hearing a dr dre song in thier head

[Sauk]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA Press Reset? (Joystiq)

To be honest I think someone was on some serious stuff

[spankdatazz22]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA press reset? (Joystiq)

To be fair, don't you think we should make the determination after 10 is out.

Plus, the mantra that Ian stated in February, What you see on Sunday, Ian clarified he meant not everything will be in 10. He said he meant 10 and beyond.

Justified or not, I think people are putting too much expectations on Madden 10 surpassing or equaling last gen games. It will take more than one development cycle to equal or surpass last gen games.

I agree w/you, no one should be making any definitive determinations until they've played the game. But we're basically doing no more than what's been done the past 5-6months - commenting on the information set before us. Imo if they're going to sit back and soak up the praise for early information, then it only seems fair that they'd accept criticism of early information. As far as expectations, I think they have no one to blame but themselves imo. They were playing the hype game building expectations, instead of taking the less glorious route of trying to manage them (expectations).

Imo expectations should be high - they're the only NFL game available. And they've placed themselves in the position where they will be the only one for a long time. And it hasn't been one development cycle, it's been five - it's not like they're doing some sort of MVP-like reboot; they're building on work that's been done previously. I've read some people saying '10 is "a good start" - which sounds familiar, because people were saying the same thing about '09, when Phil Frazier was supposed to bring last gen greatness and usher in a new era. It was probably said in '08 also. It seems every year someone's saying the reset button was hit and it's a new beginning. C'mon - saying people shouldn't expect Madden to equal or surpass last gen games 5yrs into next gen is having REALLY low expectations. Would we be willing to hold other developers to that same low expectation?

[GTheorenHobbes]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA press reset? (Joystiq)

To be fair, don't you think we should make the determination after 10 is out.

Plus, the mantra that Ian stated in February, What you see on Sunday, Ian clarified he meant not everything will be in 10. He said he meant 10 and beyond.

Justified or not, I think people are putting too much expectations on Madden 10 surpassing or equaling last gen games. It will take more than one development cycle to equal or surpass last gen games.

After 5 years of next gen football, do you really think it's ok to have to wait a 6th year just to get a game that surpasses the old ps2 madden games? No wonder Tiburon can put out steaming piles of **** each year, when people's standards are as low as they are.

"Should we add more than one camera angle or in-game saves this year?"

"Nah...f$&k 'em. They'll still buy it again this year and next anyways."

[PlyrzNumber1]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA press reset? (Joystiq)

I agree w/you, no one should be making any definitive determinations until they've played the game. But we're basically doing no more than what's been done the past 5-6months - commenting on the information set before us. Imo if they're going to sit back and soak up the praise for early information, then it only seems fair that they'd accept criticism of early information. As far as expectations, I think they have no one to blame but themselves imo. They were playing the hype game building expectations, instead of taking the less glorious route of trying to manage them (expectations).

Imo expectations should be high - they're the only NFL game available. And they've placed themselves in the position where they will be the only one for a long time. And it hasn't been one development cycle, it's been five - it's not like they're doing some sort of MVP-like reboot; they're building on work that's been done previously. I've read some people saying '10 is "a good start" - which sounds familiar, because people were saying the same thing about '09, when Phil Frazier was supposed to bring last gen greatness and usher in a new era. It was probably said in '08 also. It seems every year someone's saying the reset button was hit and it's a new beginning. C'mon - saying people shouldn't expect Madden to equal or surpass last gen games 5yrs into next gen is having REALLY low expectations. Would we be willing to hold other developers to that same low expectation?

This sums up my frustration with the football video gaming industry right now. And I agree with you on so many of your other points. This post should be framed and referenced over and over everytime somebody comes with the "this is a new start, lets wait till the game comes out" type posts that come up dozens of times a day.

[roadman]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA press reset? (Joystiq)

I agree w/you, no one should be making any definitive determinations until they've played the game. But we're basically doing no more than what's been done the past 5-6months - commenting on the information set before us. Imo if they're going to sit back and soak up the praise for early information, then it only seems fair that they'd accept criticism of early information. As far as expectations, I think they have no one to blame but themselves imo. They were playing the hype game building expectations, instead of taking the less glorious route of trying to manage them (expectations).

Imo expectations should be high - they're the only NFL game available. And they've placed themselves in the position where they will be the only one for a long time. And it hasn't been one development cycle, it's been five - it's not like they're doing some sort of MVP-like reboot; they're building on work that's been done previously. I've read some people saying '10 is "a good start" - which sounds familiar, because people were saying the same thing about '09, when Phil Frazier was supposed to bring last gen greatness and usher in a new era. It was probably said in '08 also. It seems every year someone's saying the reset button was hit and it's a new beginning. C'mon - saying people shouldn't expect Madden to equal or surpass last gen games 5yrs into next gen is having REALLY low expectations. Would we be willing to hold other developers to that same low expectation?

I agree with some of this and some of it, I don't agree with.

I'm not sure where you are coming from that they were soaking up the praise for early information. I think there is some assumption on that part. I don't think the CD people went down to praise the Madden team.

As far as expectations are, everyone's expectations are at a different level. What works for you might not work for me. To put everyone in the same boat is a bit of a stretch. I still have 09, but haven't completed a season. It's boring as hell to play, but I keep it because my son loves to beat his old man. My expectations are better and improved game play, better defined pocket and greatly improved presentation. Those are the major factors for me. I still have 2k5 on the shelf and still dig it out.

Bottom line, I want Madden 10 to be much better and improved over Madden 09. I know other people keep the 2k series in mind and that is fine, but I don't. I'm aiming high, but not allowing myself to become disappointed if it doesn't have everything in but the kitchen sink. I refer back to what Ian said in February and most people must have missed this.

Everything you see on Sunday, will be seen in Madden. He immediately followed that up with Madden 10 and beyond.

Spank, I'm pretty sure you know by now I'm giving Ian and crew the benefit of the doubt at this stage. It seems other people don't want to do that and that is fine. I'll still have my son to have grudge matches with to justify my spending of $60.00 if that is ok with others.

[spankdatazz22]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA press reset? (Joystiq)

I'm not sure where you are coming from that they were soaking up the praise for early information. I think there is some assumption on that part. I don't think the CD people went down to praise the Madden team.

I didn't mention the CD team at all; wasn't thinking of them. I haven't followed the game religiously over the past 5 months, but it seems there's been little effort to level people's expectations. All the "Ian's a god!", "You guys are on fire!", "I'm gonna name my firstborn after you!" threads that proliferated over the months... there seemed to be no effort to dampen people's expectations on their part. Some have been proclaiming the game will be great for months now, just based off the hype. So imo they were just soaking it up since they were here all the time. Which is why it looks like a punk move on their part if they decide they can't be here if people aren't praising every piece of information they put out. Imo it's probably not a good idea for a dev to be so intimate with the fanbase anyway, because of the possibility of misunderstandings, or disappointment expressed that could lead to hurt feelings.

As far as expectations are, everyone's expectations are at a different level. What works for you might not work for me. To put everyone in the same boat is a bit of a stretch. I still have 09, but haven't completed a season. It's boring as hell to play, but I keep it because my son loves to beat his old man. My expectations are better and improved game play, better defined pocket and greatly improved presentation. Those are the major factors for me. I still have 2k5 on the shelf and still dig it out.

Agreed. But whether intended or not, their community involvement approach this year increased the level of interest in this year's game and the overall expectation level. Imo it was intentional, because the general perception of the game is that it's been disappointing. I think it's that disappointment that has caused people to cite 2K5/2K8/old Maddens; the more they disappoint the more people long for alternatives. Exclusivity wouldn't be as much of an issue as it is if the games Tiburon were producing were good/great. Some like to act as if it's some huge group of disgruntled 2K fans that will never like Madden, when it's Madden fans that have become more disenchanted with the product imo.

Bottom line, I want Madden 10 to be much better and improved over Madden 09. I know other people keep the 2k series in mind and that is fine, but I don't. I'm aiming high, but not allowing myself to become disappointed if it doesn't have everything in but the kitchen sink. I refer back to what Ian said in February and most people must have missed this.

Everything you see on Sunday, will be seen in Madden. He immediately followed that up with Madden 10 and beyond.

Spank, I'm pretty sure you know by now I'm giving Ian and crew the benefit of the doubt at this stage. It seems other people don't want to do that and that is fine. I'll still have my son to have grudge matches with to justify my spending of $60.00 if that is ok with others.

I've said it many times - Madden 09>08>07>06. At the very least, I would think '10 would be an improvement over '09, that's not much of an expectation at all. The problem Tiburon faces is that the game has consistently improved over it's previous version and yet many still have a sort of "meh" feeling towards the game. That's not "all 2K fans hating". There are lots of Madden (and general football fans) that are disappointed in the game too.