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Well, after watching this twice, I must say that I am not too impressed.
For one, they didn't show the kickoff return which may be a sign that they didn't change the horrid blocking from last year.
Two, the graphics pretty much looks the same. There are just some new animations.
Three, running looks easier this time around. Did y'all see the open holes?
Four, the presentations don't mean squat if the game is bad. We skip 'em anyway.
C'mom guys... don't get hype over crap.Comment
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Re: Madden NFL 10 Gameplay Video: Eagles @ Cowboys (IGN)
after watching that video my hype for this game has went way down. animations look the same as last year, the players dont move fluid or realistictly at all. i mean Mclin was running so ugly with no lean at all. i just think they need an entire new engine and that probrobly wont be till next gen. Ive been playing madden for years buying the game year after year accept 06, 07, and 08. im older now and i can see the cycle i understand this gens madden cant be saved unless the engine is rebuilt, so i dont think ill buy this game this year, ill play the demo and if i like it ill go out and buy it. besides theres alot of good games i coming out this year i could be playing instead of madden 10.Last edited by big_larry; 05-30-2009, 11:19 PM.Comment
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Re: Madden NFL 10 Gameplay Video: Eagles @ Cowboys (IGN)
I have been a madden fanboy for a long time on the ps2. I tried 08 on the ps3, really bad, went back to ps2. Madden 09 came out and I thought it would be better than ps2. Well, I played that game till about a month ago the whole time my friends pointing out huge glitches but I wanted a good NFL game so I made excuses and passed off the super d awareness, the fact ratings had no effect and all the other problems until I finally couldn't even buy my own lies. I realized EAs sold me junk 2 years in a row. Now I get my first glimpse of Madden 10 gameplay-with pro-tak(the feature thats gonna take Madden 10 to the next level) turned off.
With that turned off, I would expect the gameplay to be much similar to 09 than your admitting and imo it was. Now Ian needs to put himself in our shoes. He knows the majority here really disliked 08 and 09. What did he expect when he shows us jostling, pro-tak, procedural awareness and other solid improvements and then the vid has none of that?
Sure the cut scenes were cool, but all Im seeing at that moment in my opinion is lipstick on a pig if the gameplay is no different.Comment
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Re: Madden NFL 10 Gameplay Video: Eagles @ Cowboys (IGN)
I'm not fan of the last 4 years of Madden, but even I can see the gameplay is better. It's not there yet, it's going to take momentum/physics (locomotion) and routed based passing to take madden to the next level of gaming for me. But many of the changes Ian outlined are there. There's better OLine blocking / interaction, and a decent pocket. There's better coverage (more realistic though it still suffers from near instant turns with instant speed, taking us back to the momentum/physics problem). Presentation is better which is a key factor to immersion making the game more realistic while drawing the player into the game (though Hammond's commentary is horrible).
I think the problem right now is that every time I see a positive, something that makes me say yeah, they got it right, there's a huge negative right there a long with it. The EA team is stoked about the release because they know it's a better game, and the best they have put out in a long time (at least half a decade), but as a consumer, it's still not there for me. (if you look at my posting history you can find my fairly extensive good, bad, and ugly breakdown of the video to find out why).
Long story short, a one year cycle was not long enough to correct all of the design decision sins of the past. I think it's going to take another 2 years to address the momentum/physic, route based passing, and animations/rendering (frames/missing animations). And that's only 'if' EA steps up and admits they have a problem with their animation/rendering engine and makes it a goal to provide a better one. Thus far we have no indicatiion they are willing to do so.Comment
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Re: Madden NFL 10 Gameplay Video: Eagles @ Cowboys (IGN)
Not bashing EA here but when is their license due?Comment
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Re: Madden NFL 10 Gameplay Video: Eagles @ Cowboys (IGN)
Imo...this IGN video was the first sort of misstep in the hyping of Madden '10'.
I mean, pretty much everything up to this point had been going very well. The blogs for the most part were very informative, and well put together. The screen shots have looked great. And even the screens have had a lot of info in them. Showing several upgrades. [refs, equipment, etc..] And lots of good back and forth with Ian as well for the last several weeks. And with the expectations of the first real gameplay vid having most of us at the edge of our seats....we get this chopped up video, and Tom Hammond sounding worse than ever.
I don't know...maybe the expectations of the first gameplay video were so high, almost anything shown would have been a slight/big letdown. And imo...the video from IGN just wasn't very good.
I'll just speak for myself by saying...I kinda got used to most everything from the blogs, to the screens, and conversations with Ian making M10 seem unreal good. And then along came this kinda imo, crappy vid from IGN. Kind of let some of the air outta my balloon. But I have really no doubts that M10 will be a much improved game over '09'. In the end...thats all I really expect.1969 NFL ChampionsComment
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Commentary is still horrible, sounds so robotic, the sideline scene with romo on the phone makes me think they took the presentation side of things from NFL 2K5, and HOPEFULLY added a half-time show, post game wrap up, and week wrap up's in franchise.
but if the superbowl celebration is still the same thing, that will be a buzzkillComment
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Re: Madden NFL 10 Gameplay Video: Eagles @ Cowboys (IGN)
The weekly wrap-up show is in the game. And you're so right about the super bowl post game scene. There should be a celebration at the end of each game showing players and coaches shaking hands, players celebrating together after a big win. Not just 5 highlights from the game.Comment
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Expectations r always high this time of the year, but with no major announcements re; a new, next gen , game engine, hope sinks fast.
We, (all the veteran Madden gamers) know what were getting by now, is
more re-hashed un important gimmicks. If this game was truly different or significantly better, our community would be all over it. The sad part is we are all captive here. With no alternative, most Madden ballers, especially the newer ones, accept the new Title, hopeful, and buy it without thought. Its new, therefore it must be better.
Its an embarrassment that such a rich, and dominate company refuses to seriously bring its flagship title into the Next-Gen universe.
Yea, we get new detail, but a tired motion engine, they add more cut scenes, add a few animations, and stick some stupid gimmick in so they can keep marketing it as a all new Madden. We all remember vision cone, lead blocking control, weapons systems, playmaker control, and on and on, none of which stuck, cause they were purely marketing gimmicks, thats why their gone now. The laundry list of other problems is way to long to mention.
Also lay off the 2k ballers, the fact that Madden is still trying to catch up with a 5 year old, discontinued title, is Madden's fault. Of course ballers are going to make comparisons, no one, with 50 games on each title back in summer of 04 could deny the innovative play offered by the smaller company. The best criticism often comes from someone who has see it done better.
So be thankful for the 2k'ers out there, especially guys like Gideon Prime on You Tube. The squeekie wheel gets the greese, and we need to squeek loudly.If any of you ever played other 360 titles, Bioshock, Gears of War, assassins creed, NBA 2k, NHL 09, its painfully obvious that Madden is not concerened with bringing Madden up to this level.
So go ahead and fix the FB dive, the QB sneek, the WR screen, get the damn QB's to trow realistic fade routes, and punish the cheesers who snap, sprint and thow against the grain accurately, and most of the drones will be happy and sing your praises, but don't expect a truly next-gen title till yet another console comes out
Lastly don't be fooled by Ian's awareness of these posts, what a crock, so now you got towels and handwarmers, and refs, isnt that great, dudes your all being played and you don't get it. Talk about appeasement.
Lastly how has EA responded to new consoles in the past?
PS1 no Madden ready, Gameday, from Sony ruled.
PS2 again Madden tardy, and 2K, with Dreamcast, and X-box 1 ruled
X-Box 360 still waiting, 5 years later.
Now tell us how pro tak will save Madden
By the way, most of my anger is over the NFL, who never let an opportunity to make money slip by. (assuming NFL approched EA with the buy out)Comment
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Re: Madden NFL 10 Gameplay Video: Eagles @ Cowboys (IGN)
Hey bro...I'm about as big an EA supporter as there is...I don't blame EA's development team...They can't force then engine change...It is what it is...Unfortunately and we are stuck with it...The are just so many band aids you can put over a wound and we are at a point where band aids just aren't enough...That being said I'll still buy the game and give it a shotComment
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