Madden 10: Did EA Press Reset? (Joystiq)

[JMBOO]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA Press Reset? (Joystiq)

First off, I am just glad that the more I read from people here, the more it seems that the majority of people really do have at least some kind of expectations for the "New next gen reboot of Madden." It also seems that there are also still some who refuse to accept the fact that there has not been a good football game made for a great long while (A lot of MLB 09 communis- I mean converts if you ask me).

Basically, after watching some EXTREMELY edited footage of Madden, it all looks good to some. However, only thing that matters is when they put out the Demo so we can see what is coming.

For myself, if the receivers are finally able to catch a sidline pass. the QB is able to throw where he wants and can actually throw over people as in the real NFL, and the screen is able to be run properly, a la NCAA, then, at least it will not be a total bust. However, what I really see is another gimmick, poor implementation of it, and nothing fixed, and adding in another feature that was already in the game, taken out, and now put back in.

I hope I am wrong, I really do, however, after going to the MLB 09 Forum and reading the sycophantic slobbering over that trainwreck of a game (witch, really is just a paint job over MLB 95 or 98, I think it was. Had everything that the 09 version did, but not the graphics. Silly, silly people. Love when remakes are held up as originals.), I am not too enthused about the chances for this game. Oh well, at least, if they decide to not F up NHL 10, and NBA live 10 irons out a few of its issues and adds in a true online BAP mode, then, all is not lost.


Just remember, this is not hate, it is just what happens when a person gets tired of the same old, same old. By the way, inFAMOUS is a really sweet game for those with a PS3. Maybe the Devs should be looking at games like that, Drake's fortune, GTA IV, NHL 09 (again), Killzone 2, Bioshock, Neverwinter Nights, Little Big Planet, etc, for true inspiration on what makes a great game. I mean, tell me that any one of those games is not great, and, you will be telling yourself that the earth still revolves around the sun.


Not hate, just truth. And really, Ian did work on last years Madden, just so everyone knows, and he pumped that game up as well. Once again, not hate, just truth.

[Child Rebel]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA Press Reset? (Joystiq)

First off, I am just glad that the more I read from people here, the more it seems that the majority of people really do have at least some kind of expectations for the "New next gen reboot of Madden." It also seems that there are also still some who refuse to accept the fact that there has not been a good football game made for a great long while (A lot of MLB 09 communis- I mean converts if you ask me).

Basically, after watching some EXTREMELY edited footage of Madden, it all looks good to some. However, only thing that matters is when they put out the Demo so we can see what is coming.

For myself, if the receivers are finally able to catch a sidline pass. the QB is able to throw where he wants and can actually throw over people as in the real NFL, and the screen is able to be run properly, a la NCAA, then, at least it will not be a total bust. However, what I really see is another gimmick, poor implementation of it, and nothing fixed, and adding in another feature that was already in the game, taken out, and now put back in.

I hope I am wrong, I really do, however, after going to the MLB 09 Forum and reading the sycophantic slobbering over that trainwreck of a game (witch, really is just a paint job over MLB 95 or 98, I think it was. Had everything that the 09 version did, but not the graphics. Silly, silly people. Love when remakes are held up as originals.), I am not too enthused about the chances for this game. Oh well, at least, if they decide to not F up NHL 10, and NBA live 10 irons out a few of its issues and adds in a true online BAP mode, then, all is not lost.


Just remember, this is not hate, it is just what happens when a person gets tired of the same old, same old. By the way, inFAMOUS is a really sweet game for those with a PS3. Maybe the Devs should be looking at games like that, Drake's fortune, GTA IV, NHL 09 (again), Killzone 2, Bioshock, Neverwinter Nights, Little Big Planet, etc, for true inspiration on what makes a great game. I mean, tell me that any one of those games is not great, and, you will be telling yourself that the earth still revolves around the sun.


Not hate, just truth. And really, Ian did work on last years Madden, just so everyone knows, and he pumped that game up as well. Once again, not hate, just truth.

Um... excuse me. What MLB game are you referring to? I believe you meant to say that MLB 2k9 was a train wreck of a game, because MLB 09 The Show is hands down the best simulation sports title on next gen consoles. Even more, the SCEA devs basically live on the forums(I don't know why people act as if it were Ian whom started the community interaction that's been going on) gathering information on how to better improve the game in every way, shape, or form, possible. From licensed team and player specific gear, batting and pitching player rituals, stadium specific presentation, to player models and anything else you can think of that you see in major league baseball. They have a forum dedicated to consumer request. If anyone has yet to see it, you should go take a look. It's a marvel to see. Although great, the game isn't perfect, and it's great to see a team of devs strive after excellence.


I do however agree with this. With so many great games coming out, it's sad to see EA struggling to release a decent football title.

[TheCreep]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA Press Reset? (Joystiq)

Um... excuse me. What MLB game are you referring to? I believe you meant to say that MLB 2k9 was a train wreck of a game, because MLB 09 The Show is hands down the best simulation sports title on next gen consoles. Even more, the SCEA devs basically live on the forums(I don't know why people act as if it were Ian whom started the community interaction that's been going on) gathering information on how to better improve the game in every way, shape, or form, possible. From licensed team and player specific gear, batting and pitching player rituals, stadium specific presentation, to player models and anything else you can think of that you see in major league baseball. They have a forum dedicated to consumer request. If anyone has yet to see it, you should go take a look. It's a marvel to see. Although great, the game isn't perfect, and it's great to see a team of devs strive after excellence.


I do however agree with this. With so many great games coming out, it's sad to see EA struggling to release a decent football title.

Struggling to release a good football game? See my previous post.

[TheCreep]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA press reset? (Joystiq)

I didn't mention the CD team at all; wasn't thinking of them. I haven't followed the game religiously over the past 5 months, but it seems there's been little effort to level people's expectations. All the "Ian's a god!", "You guys are on fire!", "I'm gonna name my firstborn after you!" threads that proliferated over the months... there seemed to be no effort to dampen people's expectations on their part. Some have been proclaiming the game will be great for months now, just based off the hype. So imo they were just soaking it up since they were here all the time. Which is why it looks like a punk move on their part if they decide they can't be here if people aren't praising every piece of information they put out. Imo it's probably not a good idea for a dev to be so intimate with the fanbase anyway, because of the possibility of misunderstandings, or disappointment expressed that could lead to hurt feelings.



Agreed. But whether intended or not, their community involvement approach this year increased the level of interest in this year's game and the overall expectation level. Imo it was intentional, because the general perception of the game is that it's been disappointing. I think it's that disappointment that has caused people to cite 2K5/2K8/old Maddens; the more they disappoint the more people long for alternatives. Exclusivity wouldn't be as much of an issue as it is if the games Tiburon were producing were good/great. Some like to act as if it's some huge group of disgruntled 2K fans that will never like Madden, when it's Madden fans that have become more disenchanted with the product imo.



I've said it many times - Madden 09>08>07>06. At the very least, I would think '10 would be an improvement over '09, that's not much of an expectation at all. The problem Tiburon faces is that the game has consistently improved over it's previous version and yet many still have a sort of "meh" feeling towards the game. That's not "all 2K fans hating". There are lots of Madden (and general football fans) that are disappointed in the game too.

General perception that Madden is disappointing? Man, everyone I know loves the game. Hell, they done went nuts too, they even liked 07, and that **** was garbage.

General perception. Man, you cant go off forums, probably not even 1 percent of the whole Madden community.

[Swingking77]

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Justified or not, I think people are putting too much expectations on Madden 10 surpassing or equaling last gen games. It will take more than one development cycle to equal or surpass last gen games.

Really though... Is this not the saddest statement ever made by anyone about anything. Imagine if everything in life were like that. It will take years to get back to where we were over half a decade ago... And in the computer industry, where advancements are made every six months, that's like 12 advancements ago, using technology which couldn't even function to the level the tech of today can. I can see us now in 2050 or what ever, having to unplug from the matrix just so that we can go back and play working game of football on the PS2.

[SmokeCapone]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA Press Reset? (Joystiq)

I feel its a punk move as well that they wanna leave the boards all of a sudden. I have said from the beggining that this plce should have came second to there own website.

If you feel the criticims are overwhleming or undeserved then you should blame those that came before you (IAN) and repair the damage as much as you can.

I expected this type of customer service from companines like this for a long time and how can you guys make a superior product that goes against what the consumers want?

We got fellas on here begging and crying rivers for not having mouthguards or long socks and crap when the gameplay is what is needed to be solidified first and foremost and then we can get to all the player specific details.

Madden has been the same until vick came on the scene and made a revolutionary change to the way we all play the game now, and they havent really built up on that change since.

We are missing critical gameplay features that for whatever reason just got forgotten about. One of those features was the defensive assignments that havent been in next gen madden yet up until now I think. And we ask what the Heck is going on if this a yearly cycle, we are supposed to add more to something special but EA is taking out.

I am tired of the casual game features that really dont help the sales of madden at all IMO and the same 3-4 million people buy the game every year regardless. SO whats the point of even adding junk features that get exposed and ruin some aspect of the game because it was paid more attention to than the aspects people really care about more and thats franchise and online.

EA has been giving people fantasy features for a while and i am sick and tired of it. The rewind feature is a complete waste of time and gives people the wrong idea of how football is played and it to me encourages people to abuse the no huddle a lot more due to the fact of soemthing like rewind and trying to make the play after you have failed to get it right the first time.

I dont want features from previous versions as a selling point and online gaming on madden is going to on its 10th year soon and we are barely getting it for madden after NCAA which sells way less than madden gets these features and it gets done right and now its like a blessing that we get maybe a watered down version of it due to the emphasis on useless gimmick features to draw in more people to buy madden.

[roadman]

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Really though... Is this not the saddest statement ever made by anyone about anything. Imagine if everything in life were like that. It will take years to get back to where we were over half a decade ago... And in the computer industry, where advancements are made every six months, that's like 12 advancements ago, using technology which couldn't even function to the level the tech of today can. I can see us now in 2050 or what ever, having to unplug from the matrix just so that we can go back and play working game of football on the PS2.

Over dramatize much?

Just going off what Ian stated in February. Not everything you see on Sunday will be in Madden 10, but they will shoot for the future editions of Madden 11, 12, 13, etc.....

Madden has plenty of catching up to do. What happened in the last 5 yrs they can't possibly make up in one yr, technology or not.

[ken986]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA Press Reset? (Joystiq)

Very good post.

I honestly believe Madden should split the devs into two. Think of it as how Activision rolls out a Call of Duty game every year. Two different teams take turns and they're allowed 2 years to make a game. That is why when a new Call of Duty game comes out, it's a guaranteed 9.0 and above. Better yet, ima make a post about this and see what is said.

[SmokeCapone]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA press reset? (Joystiq)

Really though... Is this not the saddest statement ever made by anyone about anything. Imagine if everything in life were like that. It will take years to get back to where we were over half a decade ago... And in the computer industry, where advancements are made every six months, that's like 12 advancements ago, using technology which couldn't even function to the level the tech of today can. I can see us now in 2050 or what ever, having to unplug from the matrix just so that we can go back and play working game of football on the PS2.

Whats so soad about his statement? Its true in all respects!!!

Look at games that do more on screen than madden does that have sequels based off of games for the PS2 era and comeback feeling like you do.

Madden should look damn near like gears graphically right now and since Im not big on graphics with sports and rather have solid gameplay i will focus on just that with your lame comment^.

Mlb Looks freaking unreal (in a good real way), I have not seen anyone steal bases by walking by everyone and I have never seen a pitcher hit the rewind button and take back that HR he gave up to lose the game.

Why is it all the other sports games dont have these weak features as selling points to sell there games?

Why is it that other sports titles still hold all the original features from there previous iterations and madden always seems to leave something out for something that cripples the game?

Online is a blast to play for those first 2 weeks until someone spreads IVD (internet venereal disease) to the rest of the community and now we have crap that needs to be fixed now.

Its criticism and its good with a harsh tone becuase we are loyal and have been madden gaming for ever and we even take vacations around the release of madden just because we love the game.

I wanna se more focus on gameplay and eliminating cheaters online on a more frequent basis. Stop the bum hunting and incorporate a decent feedback system that goes directly to EA and let the computer determine the type of play that was involved to see if the person complaining was weak or had validity in his claims.

Its like this, if there were no cars that ran on gas and say gas was something new and improved. Then why would you make the next gas car without a gas tank and try to sell having an ipod deck with an ipod as the selling point in the car if it aint going nowhere due to not having a gas tank or a smaller one. It just aint right.

[roadman]

Re: Madden 10: Did EA press reset? (Joystiq)

I didn't mention the CD team at all; wasn't thinking of them. I haven't followed the game religiously over the past 5 months, but it seems there's been little effort to level people's expectations. All the "Ian's a god!", "You guys are on fire!", "I'm gonna name my firstborn after you!" threads that proliferated over the months... there seemed to be no effort to dampen people's expectations on their part. Some have been proclaiming the game will be great for months now, just based off the hype. So imo they were just soaking it up since they were here all the time. Which is why it looks like a punk move on their part if they decide they can't be here if people aren't praising every piece of information they put out. Imo it's probably not a good idea for a dev to be so intimate with the fanbase anyway, because of the possibility of misunderstandings, or disappointment expressed that could lead to hurt feelings.



Agreed. But whether intended or not, their community involvement approach this year increased the level of interest in this year's game and the overall expectation level. Imo it was intentional, because the general perception of the game is that it's been disappointing. I think it's that disappointment that has caused people to cite 2K5/2K8/old Maddens; the more they disappoint the more people long for alternatives. Exclusivity wouldn't be as much of an issue as it is if the games Tiburon were producing were good/great. Some like to act as if it's some huge group of disgruntled 2K fans that will never like Madden, when it's Madden fans that have become more disenchanted with the product imo.



I've said it many times - Madden 09>08>07>06. At the very least, I would think '10 would be an improvement over '09, that's not much of an expectation at all. The problem Tiburon faces is that the game has consistently improved over it's previous version and yet many still have a sort of "meh" feeling towards the game. That's not "all 2K fans hating". There are lots of Madden (and general football fans) that are disappointed in the game too.

I haven't noticed this being a Madden Love Fest forum over the past several months. Sure, there have been Ian Love threads, but there has been just as much Madden, EA hatred threads as well.
It seems like that is a wash to me. I would think Ian's statement that not everything you see on Sunday will make it in Madden 10, but aiming for future editions would be enough to lower or temper the expectations. Maybe not many people saw that quote.

Plus, I'm not sure where everyone is taking for truth that Ian has left OS. He has E3 this week to contend with, plus three solid weeks before the game goes gold. I would rather he stay focused on the task at hand instead of worrying what's said on an internet forum. Plus, he's been back a few times since that time.

Personally, I didn't think Madden 09 was better than 08 at all. 08 held my interest longer than 09, so that is very subjective that each Madden is better than the last one. I want 10 to blow 09 out of the water and I have no reservations based on the information that has been received at this stage that it won't. I could be wrong after August 14th, but time will tell.

[MJenness]

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Plus, I'm not sure where everyone is taking for truth that Ian has left OS. He has E3 this week to contend with, plus three solid weeks before the game goes gold. I would rather he stay focused on the task at hand instead of worrying what's said on an internet forum. Plus, he's been back a few times since that time.

Ian wrote this statement in his twitter, and that he thought the feedback on the recent video was "ridiculous".

[countryboy]

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Ian wrote this statement in his twitter, and that he thought the feedback on the recent video was "ridiculous".

he's been back since that comment.

[MJenness]

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he's been back since that comment.

But is he interacting, or only viewing? I haven't seen any recent posts....maybe I just missed 'em?

[roadman]

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he's been back since that comment.

Exactly. That has been my point.

There were 5-6 people banned within that 24 hr time span.

Still don't see where Ian taking a breather is a big deal especially with E3 and 3 weeks before going gold.

[spankdatazz22]

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General perception that Madden is disappointing? Man, everyone I know loves the game. Hell, they done went nuts too, they even liked 07, and that **** was garbage.

General perception. Man, you cant go off forums, probably not even 1 percent of the whole Madden community.

It was a generalized statement on my part, but I feel safe saying it. It wasn't that long ago when Madden was looked at as a system seller. It may still be so, but not on the level it once was. Just as your friends love the game, I have friends that are hardcore PS2 fans that see no reason to play/upgrade to the PS3 version. Although a few have upgraded systems and have gotten the next gen version of Madden, when they choose to play competitively they play the PS2 version. With Madden being the only NFL option, it's hard to say if most are buying the game out of desire or because it's the only choice they have.

If anything the perception of on the forums is overall positive; there are tons of people here that are excited about Madden just strictly based off the community interaction. But when you look at people that haven't been hyped/marketed to - like gamer ratings/perception on Gametrailers - you see people still have that meh feeling to what they're seeing. I believe Ian and crew are working hard to make Madden a good game. The only difference is I felt they worked hard last year. And the year before that. I think they're trying to do their best; the unfortunate truth may be just that simple