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  • thesteamontheboat
    Rookie
    • Jun 2008
    • 220

    #76
    Re: Whew - PRO-TAK is much better now.

    Ian great freaking job your the man!

    Hey when you make the vids do you think you can make them comparison videos to see exactly what you mean with the percentages?
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    • Mr_Riddick
      Pro
      • Jan 2009
      • 1173

      #77
      Re: Whew - PRO-TAK is much better now.

      Ian, any chance on you guys adding an interactive sideline for this year. You know players knocking over coaches and other players on the sideline. By the way great job on gameplay and presentation thusfar...

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      • adembroski
        49ers
        • Jul 2002
        • 5829

        #78
        Re: Whew - PRO-TAK is much better now.

        Originally posted by FadeEmAll
        Isee ya Adembroski that was some good double teaming. So is the 3-4 finally effective?
        Defense in general was not effective against the run at CD (hence the toning back of momentum), so it was hard to say. This wasn't because of the D-Line, but the linebackers, so it was easy to see how improved d-line play was. I expect the 3-4 is going to feel much better than before... especially now that there are really two major styles of it in the game (Fire Zone and Hybrid).

        Speaking of which, I need to go back through some videos and look at linebacker play, see if that got shored up.
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        • Valdarez
          All Star
          • Feb 2008
          • 5075

          #79
          Re: Whew - PRO-TAK is much better now.

          Originally posted by Ian_Cummings_EA
          I was a bit concerned with the E3 build (like most of you probably were) that were a lot of times where defenders would just bounce off instead of wrapping up. I am happy to say it is much improved...just played a full game against Donny (I was Vikings, he was Cardinals - he killed me BTW), and it was WAY better ... much more predictable and reliable than the E3 build.

          I dug deeper to see what happened and found out that before E3 there was some tuning being done to dictate when gang tackles could be triggered, and the primary criteria was the angle of the ballcarrier in relation to the ground. Meaning, if a player was about to fall / touch the ground, he shouldn't be able to be gang tackled (obviously because he would warp back to upright). Apparently there were a few bugs in this calculation though, so often times it would think he was leaned over when in fact he wasn't. Now it has been tuned much more appropriately, and the gang tackles are really looking great.

          As a side note, the momentum in PRO-TAK is also much more pronounced as well (and also finally doesn't stop when the players engage...it keeps moving throughout the tackle) Both Beanie Wells and Peterson really felt like they were carrying those first 2 defenders when they had a head of steam...which looked and felt great. Unfortunately I don't have vids but I'll try to get some soon.

          Thought you'd like the update...on to looking at everyone's other favorite issue - the pass rush!
          Welcome back to the forums Ian.

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          • LBzrule
            Hall Of Fame
            • Jul 2002
            • 13085

            #80
            Re: Whew - PRO-TAK is much better now.

            Originally posted by adembroski
            Defense in general was not effective against the run at CD (hence the toning back of momentum), so it was hard to say. This wasn't because of the D-Line, but the linebackers, so it was easy to see how improved d-line play was. I expect the 3-4 is going to feel much better than before... especially now that there are really two major styles of it in the game (Fire Zone and Hybrid).

            Speaking of which, I need to go back through some videos and look at linebacker play, see if that got shored up.
            I need to look at it too. I do notice that for the backers that have been adjusted to line up 5 yards deep, they seem to play better. But for the guys lining up in the line they are out of the play.

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            • lolfalconsbeatu
              Pro
              • Apr 2009
              • 886

              #81
              Re: Whew - PRO-TAK is much better now.

              anything official on rocket catching?

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              • FadeEmAll
                Banned
                • Dec 2008
                • 880

                #82
                Re: Whew - PRO-TAK is much better now.

                Originally posted by adembroski
                Defense in general was not effective against the run at CD (hence the toning back of momentum), so it was hard to say. This wasn't because of the D-Line, but the linebackers, so it was easy to see how improved d-line play was. I expect the 3-4 is going to feel much better than before... especially now that there are really two major styles of it in the game (Fire Zone and Hybrid).

                Speaking of which, I need to go back through some videos and look at linebacker play, see if that got shored up.
                See man that's why I never get excited. Nobody mentions isht like this during E3 reviews all they do is talk up the good aspects of the game

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                • Danimal
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 2199

                  #83
                  Re: Whew - PRO-TAK is much better now.

                  Ian -

                  Any comments on the procedural awareness? I don't expect every play to be perfect but there were a few examples of defenders not turning and running right by the man they were on, the worst one I saw was in the Packers vs Bears video from the Game Stop review.

                  It's my birthday so maybe you can throw this 43 year old curmudgeon a bone and let me know if this was just a quirk.
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                  • poster
                    All Star
                    • Nov 2003
                    • 7506

                    #84
                    Re: Whew - PRO-TAK is much better now.

                    Thanks for the update Ian. Very glad to hear as I was worried.

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                    • Sanchez_Mareno
                      MVP
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 3485

                      #85
                      Re: Whew - PRO-TAK is much better now.

                      Great work ian
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                      • Da Bears
                        Rookie
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 457

                        #86
                        Re: Whew - PRO-TAK is much better now.

                        No cap,no trade logic and no contracts.
                        STR8 UP SIM MADDEN FRANCHISE (MNFL PS3). Commish.
                        http://excoboard.com/exco/forum.php?forumid=121516

                        Cincy still open.

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                        • g2thecore
                          MVP
                          • Jun 2008
                          • 1818

                          #87
                          Re: Whew - PRO-TAK is much better now.

                          Originally posted by Da Bears
                          No cap,no trade logic and no contracts.
                          Way to stay on topic dude....Why must people troll?
                          "I'll die before I lose, cuz I was born to win."- Drake

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                          • titansftw
                            Rookie
                            • May 2009
                            • 283

                            #88
                            Re: Whew - PRO-TAK is much better now.

                            Originally posted by Ian_Cummings_EA
                            I was a bit concerned with the E3 build (like most of you probably were) that were a lot of times where defenders would just bounce off instead of wrapping up. I am happy to say it is much improved...just played a full game against Donny (I was Vikings, he was Cardinals - he killed me BTW), and it was WAY better ... much more predictable and reliable than the E3 build.

                            I dug deeper to see what happened and found out that before E3 there was some tuning being done to dictate when gang tackles could be triggered, and the primary criteria was the angle of the ballcarrier in relation to the ground. Meaning, if a player was about to fall / touch the ground, he shouldn't be able to be gang tackled (obviously because he would warp back to upright). Apparently there were a few bugs in this calculation though, so often times it would think he was leaned over when in fact he wasn't. Now it has been tuned much more appropriately, and the gang tackles are really looking great.

                            As a side note, the momentum in PRO-TAK is also much more pronounced as well (and also finally doesn't stop when the players engage...it keeps moving throughout the tackle) Both Beanie Wells and Peterson really felt like they were carrying those first 2 defenders when they had a head of steam...which looked and felt great. Unfortunately I don't have vids but I'll try to get some soon.

                            Thought you'd like the update...on to looking at everyone's other favorite issue - the pass rush!

                            Thanks Ian. As usual you are oozing with awsome.
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                            • Da Bears
                              Rookie
                              • Apr 2009
                              • 457

                              #89
                              Re: Whew - PRO-TAK is much better now.

                              Originally posted by g2thecore
                              Way to stay on topic dude....Why must people troll?
                              I try my best.
                              STR8 UP SIM MADDEN FRANCHISE (MNFL PS3). Commish.
                              http://excoboard.com/exco/forum.php?forumid=121516

                              Cincy still open.

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                              • carolina_boi
                                Rookie
                                • Apr 2009
                                • 429

                                #90
                                Re: Whew - PRO-TAK is much better now.

                                lookin 4ward to more updates !
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