NCAA Football 10 Rosters Issue

[TheDirt]

Re: NCAA Football 10 Rosters Issue

My 2 cents:

I'm in software development, and bugs/oversights happen - that's why you hire testers.

The problem is that you can't really test for "correctness" in the NCAA roster - the roster is based on the intent of the roster creator. How does a tester know how many players should be on a team's roster? (It's really up to the roster creator, right?) Since so much of it is subjective, how much time should be allocated to testing this area? In my opinion it should be minimal.

Ultimately it's the responsibility of the person creating the rosters to verify that his stuff is in the final build. If Tiburon is like my place they'll have a release test prior to anything going out the door, and at that point the prospective final build is made and loaded on test boxes. If the roster file is actually one file, basically you only have to look for the last thing you touched - if it's there, you're probably okay.

My suggestion going forward - use the community. Post the complete roster file (text, spreadsheet, whatever) on OS (or anywhere) when you get to the final build stage. The maniacs here (and I use that term in the best way possible) will point out any glaring problems within a day. You might have to weed through the "he should be an 88 instead of an 85" stuff, but you'd find the big issues. (EA might frown upon this, don't know.)

Or just change TeamBuilder (a great idea, great implementation) into RosterBuilder. Let us create detailed, accurate rosters and you guys can create generic rosters to avoid any potential lawsuits. Less dev time on rosters (which can't be perfect in July anyway), more time on gameplay.

Anyways I feel Russ and Adam's pain. Good luck on a solution.

[Rooneyeleven1]

Re: NCAA Football 10 Rosters Issue

My 2 cents:

I'm in software development, and bugs/oversights happen - that's why you hire testers.

The problem is that you can't really test for "correctness" in the NCAA roster - the roster is based on the intent of the roster creator. How does a tester know how many players should be on a team's roster? (It's really up to the roster creator, right?) Since so much of it is subjective, how much time should be allocated to testing this area? In my opinion it should be minimal.

Ultimately it's the responsibility of the person creating the rosters to verify that his stuff is in the final build. If Tiburon is like my place they'll have a release test prior to anything going out the door, and at that point the prospective final build is made and loaded on test boxes. If the roster file is actually one file, basically you only have to look for the last thing you touched - if it's there, you're probably okay.

My suggestion going forward - use the community. Post the complete roster file (text, spreadsheet, whatever) on OS (or anywhere) when you get to the final build stage. The maniacs here (and I use that term in the best way possible) will point out any glaring problems within a day. You might have to weed through the "he should be an 88 instead of an 85" stuff, but you'd find the big issues. (EA might frown upon this, don't know.)

Or just change TeamBuilder (a great idea, great implementation) into RosterBuilder. Let us create detailed, accurate rosters and you guys can create generic rosters to avoid any potential lawsuits. Less dev time on rosters (which can't be perfect in July anyway), more time on gameplay.

Anyways I feel Russ and Adam's pain. Good luck on a solution.

Great Post!

[stevedrumsdw]

Re: NCAA 10 Rosters

Someone at EA should take note of the fact that not one single poster yet has chimed in and said: "Thank god they have decided they are not going to delete my create-a-school to fix this roster problem."

[sportzbro]

Re: NCAA Football 10 Rosters Issue

My suggestion going forward - use the community. Post the complete roster file (text, spreadsheet, whatever) on OS (or anywhere) when you get to the final build stage. The maniacs here (and I use that term in the best way possible) will point out any glaring problems within a day. You might have to weed through the "he should be an 88 instead of an 85" stuff, but you'd find the big issues. (EA might frown upon this, don't know.)

This is what I would like to see happen, but this solution, once again, would be like admitting the NCAA team is incompetent of doing it themselves..Which is obvious anyway

Also I would want some type of discount off the game if I put in time to doing the rosters for them, and I don't see them doing that.

[stevedrumsdw]

Re: NCAA 10 Rosters

Sadly, I believe the opposite is true.

Yes I agree a fix is a difficult undertaking.

[nikka]

Re: NCAA Football 10 Rosters Issue

*Teambuilder BETA* (Its just the beta) should be closed down so they can upload the correct roster file on to it and the game disc... problem solved.
people that created schools can recreate.. not a big deal at all, it's a freaking beta things will change.

The game disc rosters should be the MAINNNNN priority, it would be a total waste to ruin the game because an online application that 40% will not use.

50,000 created teams or 500,000+ unhappy customers?
Jobs are scarce now a days... do what's logical.

[bamaCT12]

While you guys are at it, please fix Alabama's facemasks. They're grey not white.

[TheLegend3001]

Re: NCAA Football 10 Rosters Issue

I have not read every post in this thread, but I do have a thought.
They came out and made a statement about the rosters. They really did not HAVE to. You may say that they did, but most of us would have bought the game anyways. But they made a statement and that is not good enough. They are working on a solution. We are going to make them go beck to the days when we got NO type of input on the game til right before launch. I don't mean that we cannot express out opinion, but damn, this is crazy. We should have just one post for all of the haters and call it THE ***** POST.

One more thing: I agree with the disappointment on the rosters, but think about it. They probably did not come right out with a statement for a reason. They said that they know that the rosters are lacking freshmen. Don't you think they already know that the other part of the rosters are a little screwy as well? But if they say what you want to hear which is "We know that we have people on here who already graduated and we're going to fix it". That would be stupid to say. Common sense will tell you that if they say this, then they are acknowledging the fact that they are using college players likeness, so they will not come right out and say that. But I think that they will fix it, but will not come right out and say it because of the lawsuit.

[marcoyk]

This is absolutely amazing. Not only is this game looking horrible in my opinion (a copy of last year's game with teambuilder, windsocks, and (haha) SS!!!!!), but the rosters are horribly wrong. I cannot believe what the NCAA team is doing. ESPECIALLY in comparison to what the Madden team is doing. Unbelievable. My previous uncontrollable enthusiasm is turning into disgust.

[gofresno]

Re: NCAA Football 10 Rosters Issue

My previous uncontrollable enthusiasm is turning into disgust.

+1 unfortunately

[sportzbro]

Re: NCAA Football 10 Rosters Issue

My previous uncontrollable enthusiasm is turning into disgust.

Well put.. I mean I probably cant even get 5 accurate draft classes just from renting the game.

[ebarws6]

Re: NCAA Football 10 Rosters Issue

+1 unfortunately

Make that +2

[Ziza9Noles94]

Re: NCAA Football 10 Rosters Issue

Well put.. I mean I probably cant even get 5 accurate draft classes just from renting the game.

Why is that? Can't you just download accurate rosters from the Locker and then sim/play or whatever to get your rosters for draft classes?

[jbdeuce]

Re: NCAA Football 10 Rosters Issue

I'm still speechless..... but I think everything will work out fine.

but one solution can't be pushing the game back because I'll just wait for Madden at that point.

In life....$h!t Happens! Shake it off and keep moving.

[sportzbro]

Re: NCAA Football 10 Rosters Issue

Why is that? Can't you just download accurate rosters from the Locker and then sim/play or whatever to get your rosters for draft classes?

Personally, I dont think anybody is going to fix the current rosters.. The community might, but its going to take forever. By that point, NCAA 10 will be a distant memory.