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  • SoxFan01605
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    • Jan 2008
    • 7982

    #16
    Re: Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10 Review

    Is there a noticeable difference between the PS3 and 360 version? I rented this on the PS3 and was disappointed. The gameplay is what I expected (mixed bag, IMO) from a TW game, but the presentation seemed wonky.

    They seemed to have gone for a more "broadcast" view of your ball flight where you can't see where the ball is relative to the course. It's a minor issue, I suppose, but add in the fact that there's a noticeable delay in the switch between views and it kills the immersion.

    The announcing is okay-better than previous versions, I suppose.

    I honestly don't get the big deal about the putting. It feels like the same exact mechanic...just condensed to a specific meter view. The only improvement to me would be the fact that there seems to be more emphasis on being smooth with your R Stick motion, but other than that it just seems like the same mechanic in a different wrapping.

    Also, I'm disappointed that the gameface feature has seemed to dumb down since 07. Photo gameface is nice, but the options surrounding the golfer seem more generic. Also, the fluctuating course count is getting old. Just keep ADDING courses. On top of that, there should be no circumstance where it's acceptable to charge for courses that were EVEr in any version of the game.

    I never played against AI opponents, so I have no clue of any improvement there, but the 2P game didn't feel like enough. I just feel as though the only important change made in awhile (IMO) was fixing that goofy leaderboard mess from 06-07 (maybe 08 too) where the AI would scale to your play (meaning an opening round 60 meant the whole field would shoot thereabouts the rest of the tourney).

    I'm in no way trying to be down on this game (I know it's been nearly all negative...lol). I actually don't hate TW (I still own and play 07, despite it's flaws). I just feel that it's indicative of a common problem with many current sports titles. WAY too much simplifying and give and take. Keep adding. Keep innovating.

    I waqnt to feel enticed to buy a new TW game, and it's not happening. If the 360 version is smoother than the PS3, I'll give that a rental too and give it a go. Sorry if this post ended up as a rant...lol...not my intention.

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    • khanvict
      Rookie
      • Jun 2009
      • 3

      #17
      Hey Soxfan,
      Never write something that long again, No one reads it... after I read is there a noticeable difference I stopped reading and now I notice you put a stupid smile face in your post don't do that either you Gaf,
      k thanks

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      • SoxFan01605
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        • Jan 2008
        • 7982

        #18
        Re: Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10 Review

        Originally posted by khanvict
        Hey Soxfan,
        Never write something that long again, No one reads it... after I read is there a noticeable difference I stopped reading and now I notice you put a stupid smile face in your post don't do that either you Gaf,
        k thanks
        lol...thanks for the tip.

        I'll be okay though. Managed to function without your wisdom and guidance for oh, so very long.

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        • baa7
          Banned
          • Jul 2004
          • 11691

          #19
          Re: Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10 Review

          Originally posted by SoxFan01605
          lol...thanks for the tip.

          I'll be okay though. Managed to function without your wisdom and guidance for oh, so very long.
          LOL. I read it. I didn't agree with it, but I read it. Plus I've been around OS for longer than 3 posts, so my comments and opinions actually count for something.

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          • SoxFan01605
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            • Jan 2008
            • 7982

            #20
            Re: Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10 Review

            Originally posted by baa7
            LOL. I read it. I didn't agree with it, but I read it. Plus I've been around OS for longer than 3 posts, so my comments and opinions actually count for something.
            lol...yeah, I thought about condensing it to a simple "EA sucks, release the hounds!" comment, but I thought that would be a tad immature and contrary to the point of a review thread.

            I'm curious as to your take on it baa. I'm assuming you played it on the 360, correct? What makes you feel it's worth it? What do you disagree with me on?

            As I said, I was thinking about renting it for the 360 (if they ever get their copy back) to see if there was a difference. It just felt too disjointed at times when I played it and not improved enough. Maybe it's an issue of "better with time"...needing to experience the AI and extended play to appreciate it. I dunno.

            It can be as long or short as you want...I'll read it...lol.

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            • baa7
              Banned
              • Jul 2004
              • 11691

              #21
              Re: Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10 Review

              Originally posted by SoxFan01605
              I'm curious as to your take on it baa. I'm assuming you played it on the 360, correct? What makes you feel it's worth it? What do you disagree with me on?
              Give me a few minutes to actually read it (just kidding) and I'll respond... and I'll add a ton of smiley faces to my post, just to bug the noobs, like this:

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              • baa7
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                • Jul 2004
                • 11691

                #22
                Re: Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10 Review

                The gameplay is what I expected (mixed bag, IMO) from a TW game, but the presentation seemed wonky.
                Hmm, maybe I agree with this after all! I feel the gameplay is pretty good considering it's a console golf game, but it is a mixed bag, yeah. It's simplified and not very deep -- that would be my biggest criticism. But the club tuner and the ability to customize the difficulty is a huge feature. And shot distances, and wind and slope affects, are all very well done. As for the presentation, it's pretty terrible, yes. I shut the announcers off after two holes.

                They seemed to have gone for a more "broadcast" view of your ball flight where you can't see where the ball is relative to the course.
                I switched to the ball cam after a couple of rounds, which IMO is 200% better. I guess I don't see this as an issue.

                I honestly don't get the big deal about the putting. It feels like the same exact mechanic.
                Of course it's the same mechanic: push the stick to simulate swinging the putter. What's the alternative? Precision putting without the meter is many times more difficult than Classic, botomline. My one complaint is they restricted the swing and made it somewhat distance-relative to the cup -- the further away the cup, the further a 100% putting stroke will travel. But there's still enough play to offer a substantial challenge.

                Also, I'm disappointed that the gameface feature has seemed to dumb down since 07.
                Yeah, I agree with that. This is the first gameface tool where I can't get my cheeks to look right (too puffy, if you really need to know the details).

                Also, the fluctuating course count is getting old. Just keep ADDING courses. On top of that, there should be no circumstance where it's acceptable to charge for courses that were EVEr in any version of the game.
                C'mon, this is an EA game: add a feature, remove two others. You know their marketing strategy. In other words, you're correct. ( Noobie, noobie, noob )

                I never played against AI opponents, so I have no clue of any improvement there
                Uh, they're Terminator tough. Inhuman. Unnatural. Which is good if you shoot -10, and bad if you're like me and can't break par. So...

                where the AI would scale to your play (meaning an opening round 60 meant the whole field would shoot thereabouts the rest of the tourney)
                Seems there are some Career Mode scoring issues, yup. I see what you saying with the game and, yeah, it's not PGA 2000 or Links. It's Tiger Woods golf. My own initial impressions weren't good. But once I flipped my perspective and focused on the stuff the game does well, I started to enjoy it. But it's not a sim sports title for sure, so I can understand why you'd pass.

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                • SoxFan01605
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                  • Jan 2008
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                  #23
                  Re: Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10 Review

                  Good comments Baa. (smiley count: 1)

                  I think we're on the same page, overall. My putter comments weren't made with any expectations of something more. I just keep seeing it hyped as though it's a breakthrough innovation. It's not really, IMO...just a more streamlined approach to the same end. I suppose it's a moot point on TOUR difficulty though.

                  If I rent the 360 version, I'll have to switch to the ball cam. As I said before, it's no big deal, but the broadcast view is so disjointed and "hitchy" that it's more of a distraction than it should be.

                  I agree about the club tuner, but wasn't that in '09? Not down on the feature at all (I'm with you...huge plus) guess I just didn't consider it when looking at TW 10's additions. (smiley count: 2)

                  Anyway, I pretty much agree with your points. Maybe I should "dumb down" my expectations...lol. (Smiley count: 3)
                  Last edited by SoxFan01605; 06-24-2009, 04:55 PM. Reason: Firefox is being goofy...

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                  • baa7
                    Banned
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 11691

                    #24
                    Re: Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10 Review

                    Originally posted by SoxFan01605
                    Maybe I should "dumb down" my expectations...lol (Smiley count: 3)
                    Truthfully, that's what it comes down to. Something I didn't mention: Career mode is a serious disappointment. Almost zero setup options, no qualifying, no having to use your earnings to pay for travel and entrance fees; and the Majors are played on the exact same courses, year in and year out. Really, what would it have taken to switch up courses for the Majors? That's horribly lazy programming.

                    Plus there's no way to check other PGA pros' season/career stats. It's like you're playing your career alone in a vacuum. If someone is buying the game strictly for Career mode, I would actually recommend they don't bother.
                    Last edited by baa7; 06-25-2009, 12:19 PM.

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                    • kerosene31
                      Some say he...
                      • Dec 2004
                      • 1898

                      #25
                      Re: Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10 Review

                      I don't think they can move the US Open because of licensing issues.
                      Go Sabres!

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                      • baa7
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                        • Jul 2004
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                        #26
                        Re: Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10 Review

                        Originally posted by kerosene31
                        I don't think they can move the US Open because of licensing issues.
                        But it's not played at the same course every year, so I don't understand. It's at Pebble Beach next year for example.

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                        • baa7
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                          • Jul 2004
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                          #27
                          Re: Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10 Review

                          Another thing: they have a faux-tourney substituting for the British Open, so no licensing conflicts there. Yet it's played at the same course each year as well.

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                          • kerosene31
                            Some say he...
                            • Dec 2004
                            • 1898

                            #28
                            Re: Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10 Review

                            Because it isn't the "British" Open.

                            They have to pay just to say "US Open". I think their license is only for the 2009 US Open which is at Bethpage.

                            I'm sure it is licensing and not something EA can change.

                            Unfortunately the lawyers sometimes mess with our sports games more than we'd like.
                            Go Sabres!

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                            • baa7
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                              • Jul 2004
                              • 11691

                              #29
                              Re: Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10 Review

                              Originally posted by kerosene31
                              Because it isn't the "British" Open. Unfortunately the lawyers sometimes mess with our sports games more than we'd like.
                              That doesn't make sense. EA didn't pay to use the name "British Open", or "The Open", or "The Open Championship." They call it the "UK Major Championship." Yet every year in TW 10 the tourney is played on the same course. So it's not a licensing issue. It's a programming decision. It was obviously simpler from a game development perspective to just create one generic season template, and then rinse and repeat each year.

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                              • kerosene31
                                Some say he...
                                • Dec 2004
                                • 1898

                                #30
                                Re: Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10 Review

                                I didn't understand what you meant...

                                The minute they moved a tournament to a course that hasn't been historically used, people would scream.

                                Obviously with a handful of courses you're never going to see accurate seasons. I'm not saying you are wrong for asking, but it just realistically is never going to happen.
                                Go Sabres!

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