Right on my man. Some of the running animations I've see in 2K8 to this day have amazed me. They really put their foot in that one when they cooked up 2K8. It's funny but you can tell a great game just by the memories it leaves you with.
APF 2K8: I had a run with a made up Brandon Jacobs and it was a thing of beauty. And, this is the funny part, there is NO Brandon Jacobs in the game and the game knows nothing about him YET just by putting in stats and appropriate attributes my guy was running just like him. It was an off tackle run which he broke to the outside and got some steam , leveled one dude a split second another dude try to strip/tackle him which he spinned off, but not a Emmitt Smith/Tiki Barber spin but the kind of spin you'd expect from a guy his size with the right speed to the animation and momentum and THEN trying to keep his balance and still keeping it moving up field. Never seen anything like it in any game. Madden I just have no such memories. Well let me rephrase that, only memory I have of Madden is beating a freind on N64 with a 50 yard bomb to Tiki Barber who I sent running straight up the middle of the field
. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING has compared to 2K8's running game and from the looks of things nothing will compare for quite a while. I'm hoping I'm wrong, I mean I REALLY hope that I'm wrong but as it looks I don't think I will be.
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Well my man, this all comes down to preference. You're obviously pretty passionate about the running animations and feel as though they should've taken precedence over many of the other gameplay improvements. Me (and probably most Madden players), not so much. I'm glad they went in the direction they did this year and obviously there's much room for this stuff to improve next year.
I know people hate the 'next year' phrase, but all sports games should be taking steps to improve year-in and year-out. With ALL of the improvements this year (I can scratch many items off my wishlist from last year), I can deal with the locomotion, momentum, and animation issues this year. If not for all the other improvements in Madden '10, I'd be on your side.
P.S. Many of the recent posts regarding running animations sort of re-enforce what Ian alluded to this time last year. June 2008, most of those within the community harped on line play, DB/WR interaction, and maybe game speed. Those items are all addressed as a result of the communities' complaints, yet now running animations are at the forefront of Madden's issues in the communities' eyes. Funny stuff.
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I don't think it's about preference guy, I think it's about solid football foundation. Certain things need to be addressed before other things. I would have gladly given up a nine man tackling animation and/or a fumble button mash mini-game for some good realistic running. A 2-3 man tackling scenario would have been good enough if it meant getting some good running out the game.
I'm pretty sure that running is not just "now" getting the communities eyes. Infact....
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2038692512
and in then
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2038693822
that's just a few posts I've made about it. I know i'm not the only one.
But to be honest I, nor anyone else, shouldn't have to say anything to these guys. They have eyes, a TV and a paying job to replicate football. They should clearly see what needs to be attended to.
Animations are important on EVERYONES list dude. I guarantee if the game had the QB standing at attention during the whole play, feet never moving, never bending to get the snap, never throwing , the ball just magically comes out his chest on a pass, then the WHOLE community would be in an uproar. (Funny thing is the game would probably STILL sell lmao)
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Well being a fellow APF, NFL2k5 fan and a Madden Nazi I wanted to comment on this topic that seems to be at the forefront of the madden debate lately.
First, I believe the running animations are off. But they are not off to the degree where I am having a issue with it. I look at it and go "Damn they run like crap" but keep on playing.
Now the reason I don't care as much as I have for other things is. I have stayed with NFL2k5/APF for a couple reasons.
- APF has a sense of playing calling being strategic. Where playing calling matters more so than who can wiggle the stick quicker left/right, hit AAAAAAA 10 times, then RT to bounce it out side alla Madden.
- Momentum in APF is much more on the side of realism. You run horizontal to the line then decided to change and run the other way...Well there is a correct sense of slow down, change direction, speed build back up, etc etc. Which leads on a whole of much better gameplay across the board.
- Time based passing in APF. In Madden the QB drop back has never matched the WR's routes and break points. Which leads to all kinds of issues. Throwing when ever you want and the WR will grow eyes in back his head and magically know the ball was released to make a break for it. In APF the ball would be thrown to where the route was intended to be, if the WR is not at the correct point well it is a play broken up by bad timing. Which is REALISTIC. Also makes Bump and run a real option.
- Degrees of speed in APF. In Madden you have FULL SPEED & STOP. This is extremely frustrating. This is what has ALWAYS drove me up the wall about madden the last few years. If I got a blocker in front me and I want to follow that blocker. Well I better hope that he is faster than me or I am gonna out run him right into the defender. This SHOULD NOT happen. You should be able to control how fast you run based on how far the stick is pushed. The Sprint button needs to be removed. Go with the NHL 09 approach. Full up means Full speed and the ratings dictate the rest.
- Momentum based blocking in APF - I am not going to go into detail into this because we all know about this.
Now why does the run animation not bother me as much. Well as you can see from the above list. These play a much bigger role in what I want out of madden.
So IAN always asks "What do you like about Madden and What do you want to see fixed?"
- I Like the direction of Pro-Tak
- I like the control over the players.
- I LOVE the graphics
- I like the animations
What do I dislike
- Time based passing being missing
- Control over the speed of your player
- Money - aka cheese being able to be effective
- PLAY CALLING MATTERING
This last one is a HUGE HUGE Deal to me and one of the reasons why LBRule I find is one of the best sources here on the Madden boards. He understands that the X's and O's on the field need to do their assignments correctly so we can call the plays we want to stop certain things. Some kid should not be able to call a streak over and over while I call a cover 3 or Cover 4 and he keep on completeing it with a RC or some other BS animation. Once in a blue moon SURE I will agree. but 4-8 times a game. Huuuuuuuhhhhhhh I will pass.
With all that said. Ian I am buying Madden 10 for the first time since 05 on PC. I throughly enjoy your input here and the direction you want to take the Madden franchise and I will support those efforts.
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Everything, EVERYTHING he just said.