Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

[SHO]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

I find it upsetting that you called well-documented hundreds of years of turmoil as victimizing, and then write it off as if everything is righted with Obama and Affirmative Action, pike.

[o 99 PROBL3MS o]

Pike, you aren't making any sense in this tthread and its obvious what your agenda is by your off-topic analogies. No one here has said anything about Al Sharpton or Wright. Its funny how you say you grew up 30 miles from UAPB. Well I grew up 2 miles from UAPB nd your recollection of that area is way off base......I would possibly even venture as far as to say you have never even been on that campus.

You aren't busted anything with "cold fact". What does whites being a "minority" worldwide have to do with HBCU's and Black College Football????? Please tell me. Your agenda is clear as day. You can link your little article about the isolated incident at UM but do African Americans not have 70 years worth of similar (far more pitiful) examples.

You also can't compare the everyday life of an African-American to that of a football recruiting visit. Trust me...I know. I had 5 visits to both traditional colleges and HBCUs. Stop trying to turn this thread into something that it isn't. Well, I guess it is too late since you have already done so. Shame on you......I hope this game does well. Apparently your underlying motive leads me to believe you don't.

[Mr. NAIA]

Three points:

Well written article, OS. Very well written.

If you've never attended an HBCU and had the Black College Expierence, you'll never comprehend why we choose to keep the "HB" in front, so no use in me trying to explain.

In some earlier posts I saw someone bring up BET...please, please, PLEASE never bring up that joke of a channel. It does a very poor job of representing African-Americans, and needs to be taken off the air.

[SHO]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

We already have Historically White College Football. It's called NCAA 10.

HBCUs may not technically segregate, but then neither does the Philadelphia High School for Girls. But what kind of looks are you going to get if your a guy and it says you graduated from Girls High? The Philadelphia Central High school for Boys had to change it's name (to just CHS) when girls were allowed in. So if you run a HBCU and you allow all races, then stop calling it a HBCU.

It's sad, but a lot of the above guys are right, it IS racist because the opposite scenario would be racist. I can't create Ivory Magazine. I can't start the WET. I can't found the NAAWP. I can't even sue because affirmative action allows a less qualified minority get ahead of me because of race. And I can't wear a "Yes We Can" or "My President is White" T-Shirt if teh next president is a white guy.

Oh, and this isn't the first game in the series. You could get the PC game last year if you sent away with some UPCs from Famous Amos cookies.

SMH. Did you even read my earlier post?

[SHO]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

I don't know if I should continue the discussion the way the thread has turned because I'm really fired up about this, but it is against TOS so I guess I'll sit this one out...

[TracerBullet]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

Yeah I decided to do that too Noble. I just don't think its possible to help some people understand. But oh well.

Anywho, still hoping this game is pretty good at least. Doesn't have to be perfect by any means. Just playable.

[bigsmallwood]

Great Article!!!! Hampton University 03' Grad!!!!!! I wish this came out for the PS3!!!!!

[rockchisler]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

shout out to Central state university class of 99...

[LSUsmitty]

"FOX, NBC, ABC, CBS are four examples of channels that are primarily catered to a white audience and lest we forget those guys also have subsidery channel. There is ONE channel for shows primarily catered to black audiences (BET), as their are to other demographics like the aforementioned. All of these channels and of all the niche channels on television BET is the one that roughens people goat so much as to complain about it? Really, guys? And if you have an issue with the naming of BET, please take that up to the owners of Viacom, who also MTV, VH1, Nickelodeon, CMT and CBS.

[/rant] "


I challenge you to find the word "White" in any of those networks you mentioned. I guarentee you wont. It is the glorification of one particular race over another that is the despicable part.

As opposed to the other channel you mentioned "BET" which the only reason they exist is to push the agenda of black people. My problem is with that agenda alone. I can't and will not be able to list one single network that pushes the agenda of white people. You may say that we are different, and want to be associated with other people of our race. Well, that attitude is the real reason race relations are in as bad a shape as they are today.

Name one single white person in American today that uses the word from his / her heritage to identify his existance. I dare say you can't. What we have to realize, and come to the conclusion is that if we are ever to bridge the gap between races, we have to identify ourselves as "Americans" not African, not Anglo, not Chinese, ......simply "American"

By merely labeling yourself black, or white, or whatever, you are the seperatist, you are the one who wants to be set apart from others, you are the one who "PREFERS" to be associated with people of your own race, not me. It is also that same attitude that keeps races apart in this country and always will.

Now, let me discuss another issue of the double standard, and I'll be breif. The moment, second, or instance you have an organization that promotes the advancement of "White" people alone, then you are immediately labled a racist. Just look at this logic here. REALLY think about this. Don't use some false logic to justify it, just think a second. Take this game above for example, what would go through your mind if the label was "White College Football"?
I really dont have to tell you what you would be thinking if you were the average black person, but look at what you are implying "THat it is ok for me and my race to promote ME and MY race, and noone elses."

Keep in mind, I would never ever call myself anything other than "American." that is what i am, and will always be. I don't refer to my black or white friends with their race in front of their name, I merely refer to them as my friends. I remain impartial, however it sure would be nice if we could have a society where a person's race didnt matter. Oh well. Have a good day.

[WilliamJHolla42]

I'm not often moved to comment, but it seems that the construct of racism always motivates one to speak. The history of black and white in this country will always lead to conflict if either is used to describe a product, service, activity or the like. There is much hostility between these two groups and it should be expected that it would generate this kind of spirited debate.

The bottom line is this... Black College Football is a niche product aimed at a specific fanbase. If you wish to not participate in making this game a success, don't. But to aimlessly debate the merits of the moniker these schools have gained over time is foolish. They are "HISTORICALLY BLACK colleges and universities." Not, "CURRENTLY BLACK colleges and universities." Meaning, over the course of recent history, these schools have catered to the black community. For those of you challenging the terms relevance, were any of these schools on your application list? This isn't about race or racism, it's about videogames...

So to riff the great Allen Iverson... We talkin' bout race... not videogames, but race. Race... Race? We talkin' bout racism, not videogames, but racism... How we gon' make videogames better by focusin' on race?

[trick02]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

We already have Historically White College Football. It's called NCAA 10.

HBCUs may not technically segregate, but then neither does the Philadelphia High School for Girls. But what kind of looks are you going to get if your a guy and it says you graduated from Girls High? The Philadelphia Central High school for Boys had to change it's name (to just CHS) when girls were allowed in. So if you run a HBCU and you allow all races, then stop calling it a HBCU.

It's sad, but a lot of the above guys are right, it IS racist because the opposite scenario would be racist. I can't create Ivory Magazine. I can't start the WET. I can't found the NAAWP. I can't even sue because affirmative action allows a less qualified minority get ahead of me because of race. And I can't wear a "Yes We Can" or "My President is White" T-Shirt if teh next president is a white guy.

Oh, and this isn't the first game in the series. You could get the PC game last year if you sent away with some UPCs from Famous Amos cookies.

+1

[pike]

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Noble,

I grew up in Stuttgart, AR--about 30 miles from Pine Bluff, home of UAPB. So yeah, I know the campus and have a lot of friends who went there.

Rockchisler: Riiiiight. I offer an alternative viewpoint and that means I'm automatically uneducated. If you are going to insult someone's educational level, at least use decent grammar.

I would love for either one of you to tell me where I'm so off base to say that the term HBC is outdated and unnecessary. It's fine to disagree with me, but calling me uneducated or out of touch or whatever is ridiculous. If that is the best you can do, you are better off not trying.

[bup]

those who think this game is racist then you're very wrong. Doug Williams didn't make this game because it's ''black.'' He just wants people to see and feel the meaning of black college football, since EA SPORTS's NCAA FOOTBALL took out black teams such as Southern Jaguars and Grambling Tigers; but just the whole entire division 2 colleges.

[raz77]

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No, at this point in history you are not. No one attending Grambling or UAPB has been excluded from anywhere else. And true, no is being excluded from these schools by any rule or regulation.

But it is common sense that, all other things being equal (academics for instance)---if I'm a white person, I'm not going to be nearly as comfortable going somewhere that designates itself as a "Black" College. And of course then the question is, is that my fault or the school's. I don't know exactly, but I tend to think it's the schools fault, because they are the one introducing this element, not me as the white student.

The same goes for churches. Here in the south, we still have churches they call themselves 'Black' churches. And all over the country, black fraternities do not participate in the Inter-Fraternity or Pan-Hellenic councils of their schools, but rather in their own 'black fraternity' organizations.

Like I said, the list goes on. But the theme is the same: black people have gone from being segregated, to segregating themselves. And I think that is sad--though not entirely their fault as a culture to be sure.

At this point, I simply think it is antiquated to have these labels in a time when we are lead by a black man named Obama.

My whole point in this, is that these schools need to drop the label. It began in an entirely different time and place, and has no more significance now than the Rebel flag does (which has, for years, been mislabled and abused as a symbol of racism--which it is certainly not. Anyone who has truly studied the Civil War knows that racism was a tiny, tiny fraction of the issues which lead to the conflict. The Union did NOT go to war with the South to free the slaves--it was simply a small part of the package that, over time, was crafted into the central theme of the conflict. I will challenge anyone to debate that historical fact. The average white Southerner at the time lived in conditions that, while not as bad as most black people of the time, was still very deplorable and only worsened after the war.)

Well first I never meant at this point in history, I was talking about origins. Which is why I used HWC instead of just White colleges. I don't want to get into a civil war or the an argument on the current state of racism in America, because that's getting pretty far from the focus of the site.

[pike]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

I don't think the name is racist at all.

And Noble, I get where you are coming from and I appreciate the PM. Certainly a much better viewpoint than the tack that rockchisler took.

By no means to I mean to wipe away 2 centuries worth of slavery, racism, and segregation. That's not my intention with my posts.

In any case, I'm sorry I've pushed this topic in such a controversial direction.