Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

[strickzilla]

i guess you must think the Xgames on ESPN or any of the multitude of "xtreme" products marketed in the us are stupid too. but its simply a marketing tool just like the XFL

[rockchisler]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

Jesus. Its called BLACK COLLEGE FOOTBALL. Thats what the media calls it. Thats what NBC calls it when they show the Grambling/Southern game. Thats what ESPN calls it: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3697955. Thats what its called.

It would be idiotic to call it anything else. No one calls it HBCU football or any other name. There were no focus groups for the title because no one who is familiar with Black College Football would think the title is controversial. White or Black.

I cant believe that this is an 18 page thread. Seriously? Anyone with Google can recognize that MEAC, SWAC and SIAC football is called Black College Football.

You right aholbert but Some people are just not smart, no matter how much you teach them and show them they just don't get it.

[strickzilla]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

Jesus. Its called BLACK COLLEGE FOOTBALL. Thats what the media calls it. Thats what NBC calls it when they show the Grambling/Southern game. Thats what ESPN calls it: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3697955. Thats what its called.

It would be idiotic to call it anything else. No one calls it HBCU football or any other name. There were no focus groups for the title because no one who is familiar with Black College Football would think the title is controversial. White or Black.

I cant believe that this is an 18 page thread. Seriously? Anyone with Google can recognize that MEAC, SWAC and SIAC football is called Black College Football.

you know why there is a 18 page thread its cally angry white man syndrome from oxford

<cite style="font-style: normal;" class="">Oxford English Dictionary, Oxford University Press, 2006,"angry white male n. (also with capital initials) Polit. (orig. and chiefly U.S.) a (usually working-class) white man with-right wing or reactionary views (typically including opposition to liberal anti-discriminatory policies), esp. viewed as representing an influential class of voter"

just as a lot of blacks in the 80's and 90's were quick to use the race card whites are quick to play the reverse discrimination card. anytime blacks try to assert hemseves here comes the angry white male saying THEY are being repressed. its very common especially online its easy to say things you truly feel behind a monitor.

i wouldnt say they are all racist but they have issues. issues thinking that things are equal and they surely are not
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[HMcCoy]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

No offense, DH but your opinion is backed by anything. Football involving those schools is called Black College Football. There is no controversy and no intent by the developers. Like I said anyone who is familar with football at those schools knows its called BCF.

If it offends, shouldn't that matter? And if not, why not?

I may be alone, but I hate hypocrisy more than I hate racism. While Pikes views are a bit myopic, I can agree that political correctness is very one-sided. No one person or group should have the end-all opinon on what is offensive, IMO. I certainly don't have a problem with the term HBCU, but to simply dismiss others feelings on the matter is just wrong.

It seems to me the dissenters seem to be more upset with the perceived hypocrisy vs. being genuinely offended by the label though, which is a completely different animal...there are hypersensitive types on both sides. Angry white man and angry black man indeed. But even though a certain poster really is playing the victim card by choosing to focus just on Rockchislers comments while ignoring the 7 or 8 other excellent responses to his posts...we really should be able to discuss this without name-calling and cheapshots.

[grunt]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

If it offends, shouldn't that matter? And if not, why not?

I may be alone, but I hate hypocrisy more than I hate racism. While Pikes views are a bit myopic, I can agree that political correctness is very one-sided. No one person or group should have the end-all opinon on what is offensive, IMO. I certainly don't have a problem with the term HBCU, but to simply dismiss others feelings on the matter is just wrong.

It seems to me the dissenters seem to be more upset with the perceived hypocrisy vs. being genuinely offended by the label though, which is a completely different animal...there are hypersensitive types on both sides. Angry white man and angry black man indeed. But even though a certain poster really is playing the victim card by choosing to focus just on Rockchislers comments while ignoring the 7 or 8 other excellent responses to his posts...we really should be able to discuss this without name-calling and cheapshots.

The problem is the lack of historical knowledge about our great country. There is a rich history of HBCU and it is sad more people do not have this information. HBCU is American history and played a major role in making America ...America.

[aholbert32]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

If it offends, shouldn't that matter? And if not, why not?

I may be alone, but I hate hypocrisy more than I hate racism. While Pikes views are a bit myopic, I can agree that political correctness is very one-sided. No one person or group should have the end-all opinon on what is offensive, IMO. I certainly don't have a problem with the term HBCU, but to simply dismiss others feelings on the matter is just wrong.

The has to be a reason to be offended and once you read the article or do a google search about the subject...you shouldnt be offended anymore. Also the "If NCAA was called White College Football, everyone would be screaming racist" argument is BS and shows how little people here now about the Black community. One, if the game was made in the 50-60's, it would have been called "White College Football" because there wasnt an single entity that goverened all white colleges back then. If there was one entity that governed the SIAC, SWAC and MEAC, they would name the game after that. But there isnt.

Two, I went to an HBCU (Clark Atlanta) and you know what we call Georgia and Georgia Tech.....white schools. Why? Because the majority of people who attend the school are white. Nobody gets offended about those labels.

The process should be simple. I can understand getting offended if you are misinformed. But once you get the information the article and several posters have given you....you shouldnt be offended anymore.

[P2K]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

If it offends, shouldn't that matter? And if not, why not?

I may be alone, but I hate hypocrisy more than I hate racism. While Pikes views are a bit myopic, I can agree that political correctness is very one-sided. No one person or group should have the end-all opinon on what is offensive, IMO. I certainly don't have a problem with the term HBCU, but to simply dismiss others feelings on the matter is just wrong.

It seems to me the dissenters seem to be more upset with the perceived hypocrisy vs. being genuinely offended by the label though, which is a completely different animal...there are hypersensitive types on both sides. Angry white man and angry black man indeed. But even though a certain poster really is playing the victim card by choosing to focus just on Rockchislers comments while ignoring the 7 or 8 other excellent responses to his posts...we really should be able to discuss this without name-calling and cheapshots.

All you have to do is think as to why BCF was created in the first place.

What's funny is one side can't stand the political correctness, but refuses to acknowledge why the political correctness is there for a reason. Sounds like that side wants free reign to talk ignorance.

If that makes me an angry person for pointing that out...so be it.

[Pared]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

The has to be a reason to be offended and once you read the article or do a google search about the subject...you shouldnt be offended anymore. Also the "If NCAA was called White College Football, everyone would be screaming racist" argument is BS and shows how little people here now about the Black community. One, if the game was made in the 50-60's, it would have been called "White College Football" because there wasnt an single entity that goverened all white colleges back then. If there was one entity that governed the SIAC, SWAC and MEAC, they would name the game after that. But there isnt.

Two, I went to an HBCU (Clark Atlanta) and you know what we call Georgia and Georgia Tech.....white schools. Why? Because the majority of people who attend the school are white. Nobody gets offended about those labels.

The process should be simple. I can understand getting offended if you are misinformed. But once you get the information the article and several posters have given you....you shouldnt be offended anymore.

Why can't someone be offended? Honestly, a lot of what people are arguing are issues rooted more deeply than the fact they decided to name this game what it is.

I've met individuals who hate the fact that all those schools are labeled as such. There's always this cry of equality in this country yet labeling an institution in the eyes of segregation continues to be passed over, even today?

Personally, I think there's a bit of hypocrisy at times. Everyone gets offended when it is convenient for them, it seems.

[aholbert32]

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Why can't someone be offended? Honestly, a lot of what people are arguing are issues rooted more deeply than the fact they decided to name this game what it is.

I've met individuals who hate the fact that all those schools are labeled as such. There's always this cry of equality in this country yet labeling an institution in the eyes of segregation continues to be passed over, even today?

Personally, I think there's a bit of hypocrisy at times. Everyone gets offended when it is convenient for them, it seems.

Why would be offended once when you know why the label exists? Most HBCU's are 95% or more black so its not politically incorrect to call them Black Colleges. Liberty University and Orel Roberts University are 100% Christian and no one gets offended when they are called "christian schools." Why? Because thats what they are. So if they are "Black Colleges" whats wrong a game that features those schools "Black College Football"

Also the developers are trying to sell games. Its simple name recognition. Calling it HBCU Football doesnt work because no one who follows those schools calls it that. Cant call it Division 2 football because some of those teams are Division 3 teams. What looks better on a cover "Black College Football" or "SIAC, MEAC, SWAC Football". It has nothing to do with controversy. Its simple marketing.

Also why would non blacks be offended by this? Honestly, I havent met one black person who is offended by the labeling of an HBCU. I have a family full of people who attended HBCUs and no one here is offended by someone calling it a "black school."

It has NOTHING to do with equality. Non blacks are admitted into HBCU's (most of them receive minority scholarships when they attend.) Blacks attend primarily white schools. The label is primarily focused on the history of the school and the label is something I'm proud of. My school (Clark Atlanta) is different than Georgia Tech or Georgia and I dont have a problem recognizing that. Clark's history, mission statement, culture and student population are different than those schools. I dont want my school lumped in with every school in GA. My school is different.

[grunt]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

Why would be offended once when you know why the label exists? Most HBCU's are 95% or more black so its not politically incorrect to call them Black Colleges. Liberty University and Orel Roberts University are 100% Christian and no one gets offended when they are called "christian schools." Why? Because thats what they are. So if they are "Black Colleges" whats wrong a game that features those schools "Black College Football"

Also the developers are trying to sell games. Its simple name recognition. Calling it HBCU Football doesnt work because no one who follows those schools calls it that. Cant call it Division 2 football because some of those teams are Division 3 teams. What looks better on a cover "Black College Football" or "SIAC, MEAC, SWAC Football". It has nothing to do with controversy. Its simple marketing.

Also why would non blacks be offended by this? Honestly, I havent met one black person who is offended by the labeling of an HBCU. I have a family full of people who attended HBCUs and no one here is offended by someone calling it a "black school."

It has NOTHING to do with equality. Non blacks are admitted into HBCU's (most of them receive minority scholarships when they attend.) Blacks attend primarily white schools. The label is primarily focused on the history of the school and the label is something I'm proud of. My school (Clark Atlanta) is different than Georgia Tech or Georgia and I dont have a problem recognizing that. Clark's history, mission statement, culture and student population are different than those schools. I dont want my school lumped in with every school in GA. My school is different.

I didn't know this was such an issue. I agree with your post 100%.

I am big Notre Dame fan and no I am not offended by the name fighting Irish. I think some folks really don't understand the history and some don't want ti understand the history.

[P2K]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

Why can't someone be offended? Honestly, a lot of what people are arguing are issues rooted more deeply than the fact they decided to name this game what it is.

I've met individuals who hate the fact that all those schools are labeled as such. There's always this cry of equality in this country yet labeling an institution in the eyes of segregation continues to be passed over, even today?

Personally, I think there's a bit of hypocrisy at times. Everyone gets offended when it is convenient for them, it seems.

I still don't understand why anybody would be offended. Everyone knows there is Black College Football. Was this a big deal when these schools were in the NCAA series over the years?

And the hypocrisy label being thrown out there is a bunch of bull. How in the holy hell can this country tell black people that they are the ones keeping racism alive these days? Meanwhile, one of the hot issues in my area is that some black and Hispanic campers from North Philly were told they weren't allowed back to a predominantly white swim club in Huntingdon Valley, PA.

[Pared]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

Why would be offended once when you know why the label exists? Most HBCU's are 95% or more black so its not politically incorrect to call them Black Colleges. Liberty University and Orel Roberts University are 100% Christian and no one gets offended when they are called "christian schools." Why? Because thats what they are. So if they are "Black Colleges" whats wrong a game that features those schools "Black College Football"

Also the developers are trying to sell games. Its simple name recognition. Calling it HBCU Football doesnt work because no one who follows those schools calls it that. Cant call it Division 2 football because some of those teams are Division 3 teams. What looks better on a cover "Black College Football" or "SIAC, MEAC, SWAC Football". It has nothing to do with controversy. Its simple marketing.

Also why would non blacks be offended by this? Honestly, I havent met one black person who is offended by the labeling of an HBCU. I have a family full of people who attended HBCUs and no one here is offended by someone calling it a "black school."

It has NOTHING to do with equality. Non blacks are admitted into HBCU's (most of them receive minority scholarships when they attend.) Blacks attend primarily white schools. The label is primarily focused on the history of the school and the label is something I'm proud of. My school (Clark Atlanta) is different than Georgia Tech or Georgia and I dont have a problem recognizing that. Clark's history, mission statement, culture and student population are different than those schools. I dont want my school lumped in with every school in GA. My school is different.

My comment was more so directed at the schools labeling themselves as such and how individuals cry "racism" or "politically incorrect" when it's convenient for them than the fact they labeled the game as such. People want to be viewed as individuals, not "black" individuals, so why label a school as such? Your Christian example, while a good one, is about a religious background that encompasses individuals of a similar belief... not exactly on par with a "black" school. Similar to a trade school, you are taught the beliefs of the religion and to practice it in life... similar, yet different enough to point out.

But that's beyond the scope of this thread, so I digress.

[Pared]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

How in the holy hell can this country tell black people that they are the ones keeping racism alive these days? Meanwhile, one of the hot issues in my area is that some black and Hispanic campers from North Philly were told they weren't allowed back to a predominantly white swim club in Huntingdon Valley, PA.

Not sure what that has to do with these schools labeling themselves as such, or even my point, but again, I digress.

[grunt]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

My comment was more so directed at the schools labeling themselves as such and how individuals cry "racism" or "politically incorrect" when it's convenient for them than the fact they labeled the game as such. People want to be viewed as individuals, not "black" individuals, so why label a school as such? Your Christian example, while a good one, is about a religious background that encompasses individuals of a similar belief... not exactly on par with a "black" school. Similar to a trade school, you are taught the beliefs of the religion and to practice it in life... similar, yet different enough to point out.

But that's beyond the scope of this thread, so I digress.

Which HBCU cry "racism" when it is convenient? I can still be viewed as an individual and still be within a ethnic group.

[Pared]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

Individuals, grunt, not the schools.

PM me for more. Again, it's beyond the scope of this thread and don't want to get it sidetracked again.