Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

[aholbert32]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

My comment was more so directed at the schools labeling themselves as such and how individuals cry "racism" or "politically incorrect" when it's convenient for them than the fact they labeled the game as such. People want to be viewed as individuals, not "black" individuals, so why label a school as such? Your Christian example, while a good one, is about a religious background that encompasses individuals of a similar belief... not exactly on par with a "black" school. Similar to a trade school, you are taught the beliefs of the religion and to practice it in life... similar, yet different enough to point out.

But that's beyond the scope of this thread, so I digress.

Actually schools like Liberty and Orel Roberts arent schools that teach you the beliefs of the religion and how to practice it. They are schools like any other college. The only difference is the majority of people who attend those schools are of the christian faith and came to the school because of its history and conservative lifestyle culture. Most people attend black schools for the same reason...because of the school's culture and history.

Labeling an institution "Black" doesnt mean that it cant observe, comment or complain about racism or political correctness. The schools never complain about the term HBCU or Black College. That is the school's identity and I see nothing wrong with labeling it as such. The term HBCU's or Black College isnt racist so labeling a school that doesnt preclude someone from complaing about racism.

The term "HBCU" or Black College doesnt exclude anyone once you dig deeper than the label. The label references the history and also the culture of the school. At Liberty, there are more religious and christian courses than at most schools because they curriculum and culture are based in chrsitianity and their students are interested in those. At Clark, there are more courses geared toward african americans (AA history etc.) because its students are more in those courses.

[P2K]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

Not sure what that has to do with these schools labeling themselves as such, or even my point, but again, I digress.

Whether you like it or not, it is all in the same. You can't sweep under the rug this country's shame like it never happened. And then, start crying hypocrisy or reverse racism against the people that were the victims of that shame because they keep an embrace on their history. Those schools are landmarks of African American history. Symbols of pride. And yet, some "individuals" think it is wrong to hold onto that history? Huh??

Are these same "individuals" screaming hypocrisy and reverse racism with Jewish schools and camps? Show me that. Or are the Jews not allowed to embrace their history and culture either?

[grunt]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

It's all love. We should all be happy that someone is trying to make another football game.

[Pared]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

Actually schools like Liberty and Orel Roberts arent schools that teach you the beliefs of the religion and how to practice it. They are schools like any other college. The only difference is the majority of people who attend those schools are of the christian faith and came to the school because of its history and conservative lifestyle culture. Most people attend black schools for the same reason...because of the school's culture and history.

Oral Roberts has a seminary! St. Johns does the same exact thing, a Catholic school here in Queens.

While they may not be plain as day or advertised, these schools do push their religious beliefs within the confines of their doors. And it doesn't matter your religious beliefs as well.

Those schools are landmarks of African American history. Symbols of pride. And yet, some "individuals" think it is wrong to hold onto that history? Huh??

You're arguing a point that was never made, which was expected. No point in discussing anything with you, something I've figured out pretty easily while being at OS.

I PMed grunt. He knows exactly what I'm talking about, and once again, it's beyond the scope of this thread.

[P2K]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

You're arguing a point that was never made, which was expected. No point in discussing anything with you, something I've figured out pretty easily while being at OS.

And you accuse people of using words of convenience to worm out of something, yet you just did it in the above post.

That point was made, loud and clear. You don't like my answer or can't refute it, so you break out the convenient "P2K's at it again" line. Typical. Like you've been a ray of sunshine the past couple years.

You made your opinion. People called you out on it. Now, you want to take your ball and go home with a puss on your face. You're better than that. At least I thought you were. I brought up the schools. I am in line with what you are bringing up. So, what's your problem?

All people of different cultures created something they embrace as their history or part of what made them what they are today. These HBCUs are exactly that. Why is that offensive?

[mvb34]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

lol at this thread.. I guess we can't have black history no more..

[Pared]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

I pm'ed Grunt, because again, it's beyond the scope of this thread.

Not sure why I have to reiterate that to you. Actually, it shouldn't be that shocking.

[mvb34]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

I pm'ed Grunt, because again, it's beyond the scope of this thread.

Not sure why I have to reiterate that to you. Actually, it shouldn't be that shocking.

PM'ed me like to know what talking back..

[aholbert32]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

Oral Roberts has a seminary! St. Johns does the same exact thing, a Catholic school here in Queens.

While they may not be plain as day or advertised, these schools do push their religious beliefs within the confines of their doors. And it doesn't matter your religious beliefs as well.

Howard, Morehouse and several non-religious schools have a seminaries too. It doesnt mean that they are christian schools.

[grunt]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

Here is another issue about HBCU. We love our schools with a passion. So, when anyone at anytime go after our schools we knuckle up. We are like a big family and our grads play a major role in our communities and society in general.

Some might not remember that in the early to mid-90's the hip hop fashion trend was to wear HBCU hoodies and hats. When you tell folks you went to Clark/Atlanta, Morehouse, A & T, Spellman you get love and respect but we also get "why did you go to a Black College".

So, if some of us come off as sensitive well because we are but it is not to be disrespectful.

This thread just remind me how great it is to be American.

Peace

PS

We are getting a new console football game.

[Jukeman]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

The problem is the lack of historical knowledge about our great country. There is a rich history of HBCU and it is sad more people do not have this information. HBCU is American history and played a major role in making America ...America.

By far the best post in the thread

[Mason81Ballin!!!]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

Who cares about skin color? what difference does it make?

[texastarheel]

I went to Livingstone College (class of '87) in Salisbury, NC which is a HBCU. Livingstone played in the first, I repeat first football game ever between two black schools. (The other school was Biddle University which now is named Johnson C. Smith University in Charlotte, NC) I am just glad that I now can play my alma mater in a game without creating them in an EA game. If anyone has ever been to a HBCU game they would know why this game is named what it is. It is an experience!!! I currently live in Dallas, TX now and one of the highlights of the year is the Prarie View vs Grambling game in the Cotton Bowl. A few years ago I took a couple of my co-workers (1 white and 1 black) who both went to predominately white colleges and had never been to a black college football game. They said it was the most fun they have ever had at a football game. And their exact words were "that was one of the best experiences we have ever had!!"
Will the gameplay be up to par with NCAA 10 probably not, will it sell as many copies as NCAA 10, probably not. But what it will do is let gamers who went to these schools have a little fun and remember their college days with enjoyment.

[HMcCoy]

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Why would be offended once when you know why the label exists? Most HBCU's are 95% or more black so its not politically incorrect to call them Black Colleges. Liberty University and Orel Roberts University are 100% Christian and no one gets offended when they are called "christian schools." Why? Because thats what they are. So if they are "Black Colleges" whats wrong a game that features those schools "Black College Football"

Also the developers are trying to sell games. Its simple name recognition. Calling it HBCU Football doesnt work because no one who follows those schools calls it that. Cant call it Division 2 football because some of those teams are Division 3 teams. What looks better on a cover "Black College Football" or "SIAC, MEAC, SWAC Football". It has nothing to do with controversy. Its simple marketing.

Also why would non blacks be offended by this? Honestly, I havent met one black person who is offended by the labeling of an HBCU. I have a family full of people who attended HBCUs and no one here is offended by someone calling it a "black school."

It has NOTHING to do with equality. Non blacks are admitted into HBCU's (most of them receive minority scholarships when they attend.) Blacks attend primarily white schools. The label is primarily focused on the history of the school and the label is something I'm proud of. My school (Clark Atlanta) is different than Georgia Tech or Georgia and I dont have a problem recognizing that. Clark's history, mission statement, culture and student population are different than those schools. I dont want my school lumped in with every school in GA. My school is different.

Again, you are preaching to the choir, bro. My point is simply...

Why do you get to decide what's offensive to some one else?

Every point you make can be twisted to fit anothers agenda. Im quite sure some southern proponents of segregation weren't bad people, but simply didn't understand why black people didn't want to eat/learn/shop with other black people. They felt they had good reason why blacks "shouldn't be offended". The concept that you decide what people should just STFU and accept is ludicrous.

Im not making a judgement...I obviously comprehend the historical significance of HCBU's. Im just saying that the fact that you refuse to acknowledge someone else has the right to be offended by it...is hypocrisy, and the root of intolerance and racism. Folks should (and some have) be able to explain their view coherently, without getting fly, attacking, or calling names. If you believe there is no double standard when it comes to bigotry, you are being naive.

I guess Im just saying that after knowing about this country's wicked, disgusting past, I make it a point to try really hard NOT to be arrogant enough to think that my sensibilities should dictate what is accepteptable...like those that have opressed us. If you feel theres a significant reason to label HCBU's thats cool...but be big enough to be tolerant to those who don't. From the outside, it does give the connotation of exclusion, and to simply say.."well thats just how we roll...suck it you inbred racist!" is not right. Again, not all have said this, but enough have.

[P2K]

Re: Black College Football - The Xperience: What's Behind the Name?

Again, you are preaching to the choir, bro. My point is simply...

Why do you get to decide what's offensive to some one else?

Every point you make can be twisted to fit anothers agenda. Im quite sure some southern proponents of segregation weren't bad people, but simply didn't understand why black people didn't want to eat/learn/shop with other black people. They felt they had good reason why blacks "shouldn't be offended". The concept that you decide what people should just STFU and accept is ludicrous.

Im not making a judgement...I obviously comprehend the historical significance of HCBU's. Im just saying that the fact that you refuse to acknowledge someone else has the right to be offended by it...is hypocrisy, and the root of intolerance and racism. Folks should (and some have) be able to explain their view coherently, without getting fly, attacking, or calling names. If you believe there is no double standard when it comes to bigotry, you are being naive.

I guess Im just saying that after knowing about this country's wicked, disgusting past, I make it a point to try really hard NOT to be arrogant enough to think that my sensibilities should dictate what is accepteptable...like those that have opressed us. If you feel theres a significant reason to label HCBU's thats cool...but be big enough to be tolerant to those who don't. From the outside, it does give the connotation of exclusion, and to simply say.."well thats just how we roll...suck it you inbred racist!" is not right. Again, not all have said this, but enough have.

But many other cultures do the same exact same deal. I live right down the avenue from a Jewish institute of learning. But, it's a big deal when African Americans do their own thing. I don't understand how it is hypocrisy.

I agree with you that people have the right to be offended. I guess my standpoint is why are the certain people that feel offended...offended? Do they feel opressed by black folks? Do they feel so threatened by seeing black people hold dear to their culture and history? Do these people feel uneasy or appalled that HBCUs exist?

I don't see it. I can't. To me, it's like a wealthy person watching homeless people be glee and playful in a dumpster...and the wealthy bastard has the nerve to be jealous. It...it just doesn't register to me. I try but...I mean...it's not like we're putting pamphlets under car windshield wipers telling folks "We have black schools and YOU AREN'T ALLOWED!!! MuaAHAhaHAhAhaha!!!" And the big thing with me is that these schools and this game isn't telling anyone that blacks are better than everyone else.

Just my opinion.