So would you say that same thing to the Madden heads who are always complaining about incredibly unrealistic things happening in Madden 08 and 09. Things which by all accounts have been addressed for Madden 10. They stress realism across the board and for the most part, people agree with them.
It just feels like a lot of people don't take the sport here seriously enough to really get concerned when they see things that they don't normally see when they're watching a game on television. Or at least they don't notice that what's happening in the game is a bit over the top.
Yes, games should be fun. But when you market a game as a sim and then it releases and you find that you can just fire up throughballs to Torres or Ronaldo, or ping the ball around the field, score ridicoulous bicycle kicks or 40 yard screamers everytime down the field, or even fire a single pass from your penalty box all the way to midfield, there's a problem. It's like playing Madden against someone and seeing a guy drop back 15 yards and then bomb it down the field, or just run around all day with a fast QB. Would you tell someone who complains about to just relax because the game is still fun?
It sort of sound like the same situation here.
And before I say anything else about the quote that I placed in bold, why was it the most fun you've ever had playing a sports game?
And that's my point, it's marketed as a sim, and most people consider it to be one, but it isn't. But again, what exactly makes it so fun for you? Mind you, I'm not saying that I haven't enjoyed the game when I played it, but there are TON of problems that were introduced with 09, and that aren't really looking like they've been addressed in FIFA 10.
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FIFA 09 is not completely sim but neither is any other game.
I get what you’re saying about being able to build up and picking out your midfielder for individual passes but trying to argue that FIFA 09's gameplay wasn't fun, or was completely broken is just unwise.
You can build up in 09 and you can pick your passes to your midfielders. You have the freedom to do that. Now it may not be as easy to do as you and others would like it to be, but you CAN do it.
Also I have no idea why your convinced that FIFA 10 will be a trickfest of rainbows and crossovers. Again, it’s an unwise concern? The moves have never really been consistently, or annoyingly, effective in any FIFA itineration. With the added 360 control, it sounds like we'll finally be able to make subtle moves both on offense and defense.
Ultimately, Soccer, football, futbal, whatever you want to call it, is a very organic and creativity driven game. To capture it 100% correctly is impossible. Consequently, to complain about certain idiosyncrasies in the gamplay of THE MOST AUTHENTIC SOCCER VIDEOGAME IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND is kinda silly.
Just be glad that the development team that is responsible for the FIFA series is extremely motivated to create the best videogame soccer experience possible for guess who......us.
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1) I can't find where I said that it'd be a game full of trick moves up and down the field. But the game CAN be fun, when you're allowed to play in more than one way. Sitting back and passing the ball around, build up play laden with quick short passes ala Arsenal or Barça, isn't possible. I don't want to play a game where my best bet is to put Ronaldo at striker, pass a throughball to him, and just run.
I don't know how much you've played the game online but by all accounts it is pretty broken. In fact, the 2nd defender pressure and the 100 aggression and pressure custom tactics effectively ruins the game online. If they beef up the manager mode I'll probably go back to it but most of the compaints in the "Online Changes" thread on EA's official site talks about precisely what I'm talking about here. And it's even got some of the game developers there who've talked with the guys and agreed on a number of fronts. So this isn't just the whining of one "hardcore" soccer fan.
2) I don't want it to be easy. I just want it to be possible and unless you use assisted passing (some of this might depend on what control scheme you use) it's impossible to hold the ball up in the midfield when players like Pirlo and Scholes aren't able to control the ball and hold it up in the midfield like they're supposed to be able to. Couple that with the fact that (like I said earlier) you can simply hold down the B button and 2 people at one player and just knock him off the ball with little to no consequence, as well as simply run around the pitch chasing the other team for the full 90 minutes without your players ever getting tired, and you're looking at a game that is completely devoid of a midfield and one that more or less forces you to play end to end for the entire game.
It isn't just me who feels this way, if you wanna check out FIFAsoccerblog.com or evo-web.co.uk to look at some past discussion it'll show you what I'm taking about since I'm apparently too "hardcore" according to Kyle Korver.
3) With any game it's difficult to capture the real life experience 100% but simple things like some of what I've mentioned above that come into play in the real game, aren't represented at all in this one. I'll find a list that I made on another site if you really wanna know where I, and a number of others, seem to think the game falls short but again, and I don't want to sound like an *******, if people think that what they see in '09 is realistic, there's a problem. I keep hearing "FUN" being tossed out left and right and while that's surely an important part of the game experience, it shouldn't be focused on at the expense of realism.
Like, what passing settings do you use, and do you only play offline against friends, or do you play online?
4) If you're saying it's the most authentic because of the kits and licenses, that's a little silly. The authenticity should be found on the pitch and while it's not a TERIBBLE representation of the game it is more or less, "pass to fast player and run," which if you've played soccer like a few of you seem to have done, you have to know that's not how every game plays (at least not for the entirety of the game). In FIFA it almost always is unless you play against the CPU who on anything below Professional, are idiots, and on anything above it, are superhuman.
5) And lastly, I guess it depends on who you define as "us." Us, apparently "hardcore" (read: just looking for a bit of realism) soccer fans, which honestly should be anyone who's played the sport at a level above AYSO, and then those who really like 5-4 scorelines, Ronaldo running through entire defenses and firing a 100 mph shot into the roof of the goal nearly everytime down the field.
Some of this might have to do with how you play the game as well.
I'm assuming that everyone hear just steers clear of the Madden and 2k9 threads because of all the complaints about realism there? This is site dedicated to sports gaming if I'm not mistaken. One which a Madden lead developer actually frequents to get feedback from guys that are REALLY into their game.
Again, don't wanna sound like a dick but...I go to sites that are dedicated to FIFA and I see tons of legitimate comlpaints about things that I and a ton of people that I play against see in this game every time that they play it and then I come to Operation Sports, which compared to the football and basketball games forums, has very little activity in the soccer game forum, and I see a very small number of people (usually some of the same ones that mostly play football and basketball games) singing FIFA's praises.