Back to the basket big men...A rare breed-True Hoop

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  • Vince
    Bow for Bau
    • Aug 2002
    • 26017

    #1

    Back to the basket big men...A rare breed-True Hoop

    "Name one guy here who can can hit a jump hook over their left shoulder," an NBA assistant general manager asked. "I can't think of one." Whether it's the trickle-down effect of the European game, the rule changes implemented by the league a few years ago, or college teams appropriating Mike D'Antoni-style basketball, the vast majority of the young bigs who were in Las Vegas are face-up players who work either along the perimeter or out of the pinch post: Anthony Randolph, Earl Clark, James Johnson, Taj Gibson, Dante Cunningham, DaJuan Summers, Austin Daye, and even Blake Griffin. Is this a momentary trend, or will the pendulum eventually swing back? "If I were a big man about to enter college, I would develop that back-to-the-basket game," the executive said. The implication: At some point, those skills will be at a premium, and that kid will be impossible to defend. Forward-looking teams are all about buying low and, right now, traditional post players are undervalued because they don't conform to the current climate of the NBA game.



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  • Muzyk23
    MVP
    • Feb 2003
    • 4192

    #2
    Re: Back to the basket big men...A rare breed-True Hoop

    nice read

    I blame D'Antoni
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    • yankeesgiants
      I Drink Like A Champion!!
      • Feb 2007
      • 2477

      #3
      Re: Back to the basket big men...A rare breed-True Hoop

      I blame the shot clock in college hoops. The last great generation of centers Akeem, Robinson, Ewing, Dougherty, and Smits where pre 1987 shot clock in college. You can thank Villanova for the rules changes that have hurt amateur hoops in this country.
      I dont remember there names but they were allot of fun....

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      • 23
        yellow
        • Sep 2002
        • 66469

        #4
        Re: Back to the basket big men...A rare breed-True Hoop

        I'd be calling for Olajuwon to help train me in the summers on a post game... thing is though you get punished way more in the post than on the perimeter.... they beat you up alot and you get no love from the refs.

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        • ehh
          Hall Of Fame
          • Mar 2003
          • 28962

          #5
          Re: Back to the basket big men...A rare breed-True Hoop

          It's still amazing to me that no one has tried to master the sky hook since Kareem retired. The shot was so unstoppable it was comical and it allowed Kareem to become the league's all time leading scorer. You'd think that maybe, just maybe, that'd be enough to convince someone to take 1,000 skyhooks a day with each hand. Guess not.
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          • Stumbleweed
            Livin' the dream
            • Oct 2006
            • 6279

            #6
            Re: Back to the basket big men...A rare breed-True Hoop

            Especially some gigantic person like Yao, Big Z (his 2K9 skyhook rules though), Thabeet, etc... who needs a hook shot over your right shoulder when you can throw it in from 18 feet one-handed with no way for anyone to block it? Even Tim duncan would get a bunch of mileage out of that shot... really anyone near 7' with long arms would be pretty much unstoppable if they mastered that.

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            • ehh
              Hall Of Fame
              • Mar 2003
              • 28962

              #7
              Re: Back to the basket big men...A rare breed-True Hoop

              Kareem said in an interview that he doesn't recall the on-ball defender ever blocking the skyhook. Ever, for his entire career. Simply amazing.

              Hell I'm gonna start practicing that thing and bust it out in the adult leagues.
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              • Muzyk23
                MVP
                • Feb 2003
                • 4192

                #8
                Re: Back to the basket big men...A rare breed-True Hoop

                guys..sky hook isn't COOL nowadays :wink:
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                • amra01
                  Pro
                  • Sep 2002
                  • 688

                  #9
                  Re: Back to the basket big men...A rare breed-True Hoop

                  every move that is unstoppable is cool.
                  someone should teach bron how to play back to the basket with his frame he would be pretty unstoppable to.
                  nowdays everyone wants to be new magic or new dirk shoot 3s make some crossovers posterize somebody the have lost the essence the fundamentals and winning...

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                  • ProjectRipCity
                    Banned
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 2395

                    #10
                    Re: Back to the basket big men...A rare breed-True Hoop

                    Dwight and Duncan and Oneal and Z (Has a nice hook shot)

                    And Oden is no where near or anything like that, but his style of play can be considered back to the basket when he develops that infamous hook shot. As you notice Dwight and Duncan and O'Neal are powerful. Oden does not have near the skill set to be a low post dominator, but he certainly has the strength. The reason why Oden is over hyped is because 7 foot rookies that come in are usually skinny or big and slow and not very strong...Like Thabeet...But if you look at Odens body it's scary. He runs fast for his size...And he has reportedly lost 10lbs already this off-season = Less injury issues and faster post moves. Odens vert has takin a hit from the surgery, but he is getting back in shape.
                    I am interested to see how he does in the summer camp. Heard the guy has absolutely changed this off-season. Mentally and physically.

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                    • J.R. Locke
                      Banned
                      • Nov 2004
                      • 4137

                      #11
                      Re: Back to the basket big men...A rare breed-True Hoop

                      This is hardly the result of the shot clock!

                      Watch Al Jefferson. He is a post move machine. Unstoppable at times. You can still do that in college or the NBA. No reason every big man shouldn't be able to go to the left or right shoulder with a hook shot. That is the sole reason Melvin Ely was in the league!

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                      • Kid EH
                        Rookie
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 6

                        #12
                        Re: Back to the basket big men...A rare breed-True Hoop

                        ^ I'm pretty sure the blog post was talking about how the draftees didn't have a post game. I think we are seeing less guys capable of playing with their back to the basket. Dwight Howard's been in the league for five years now, and he still looks uncomfortable when he's posting guys up. (Unless he's playing the Cavs.)

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                        • J.R. Locke
                          Banned
                          • Nov 2004
                          • 4137

                          #13
                          Re: Back to the basket big men...A rare breed-True Hoop

                          This all stems from the way the game is being played on the streets and in the gyms across America. How many times in your pick up games does someone enter it into the post and cut to the hoop off of his moves?

                          Everything is about breaking guys off the dribble now. The kids need to watch video of Dream shaking.

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                          • Cebby
                            Banned
                            • Apr 2005
                            • 22327

                            #14
                            Re: Back to the basket big men...A rare breed-True Hoop

                            Come on guys.

                            Developing something like a Dream Shake or Kareem's hook is a little easier said than done.

                            Why doesn't Lebron just develop Jordan's jumper or DWade develop Ray Allen's 3 point shooting?

                            I'm not sure that there are more than 3 players capable of developing those type of moves in the league, and with the quality of big men right, you can score solidly without them.

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                            • Admiral50
                              Banned
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 3311

                              #15
                              Re: Back to the basket big men...A rare breed-True Hoop

                              Dwight Howard could use a move or two.

                              He is hopeless down low. Seriously, his hook is a prayer type throw and he looks like he's never played basketball before when he attempts a jumper on the baseline, especially when starting with his back to the basket.

                              It may be easier said than done, but back in the Ewing, Robinson, Hakeem days, there were a lot of big men that had decent moves and a lot more that were trying.

                              Karl Malone had some nice running hooks and turnarounds or face-ups. Even Shawn Kemp mad a few low post moves in between his dunk fests. Alonzo Mourning had a nice hook too actually.

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