FistofRages's 2010 Heisman Slider Discussion

[fistofrage]

***IMP0RTANT NOTE-Floowing any patch go into to gameplay settings and hit LB and restore everything to default. Save and exit out of the program. Then go back in and set it to heisman and put the sliders in. The game felt like it was playing on Varsity before I did this. I was returning kick-offs right and left, now I rarely see any broken for long gains. WHich is good.

Updated. Final Post 1.3 Patch Sliders

Heisman
7 min quarters

House Rules:
1. Ask Corso - Can use any of the 16 plays he chooses. (this helps keep away from using the same play over and over. There are some plays that can be too successful if used over and over again.)
2. Control the DT. Can switch after RB gets a few yards past the line of scrimmage or after a pass is completed.
3. Only go for it on 4th down if situation absolutely calls for it. Pretty much kick it away even on 4th and inches if inside your own territory. Kick the FG if it will give you more than a 7 point lead.
4. Absolutely NO USING THE CHEEZY GIMMICK RUN COMMIT.
5. Recruiting house rule(for dynasty players) - 6* programs can only recruit players that have a top 3 interest in the school at the start of the year. 5* programs can only recruit players with top 5 interest. 4* must be top 8 and 3* and below only recruit players with top 10 interest. Can only recruit a total of seniors +3. 12 seniors on your squad means 15 recruits. Must recruit needs first. Sorry, but if you need a FB, he has to be at the top of the board. You can recruit up to 5 guys from your HOME state that don't have interest in you if you are a 4* or less program.
6. I never hot route a receiver route or motion players out of the backfield unless thats part of the designed play.

Standard Set of Sliders to allow for pancakes, slightly higher completion % to open up shorter & intermediate routes, and a little tougher human rushing. You should be able to Pass commit and player commit with these, as well as gameplan.

Offense HUM/CPU
QB Acc 10/10
Pass Block 50/50
WR Catch 50/50
RB Ability 45/50
Run Block 50/100

Defense HUM/CPU
Pass Coverage 50/50
Pass Rush 50/50
Interceptions 15/15
Rush Defense 20/100
Tackling 50/75

Special Teams HUM/CPU
FG Power 25/25
FG Acc 5/40
Punt Power 25/55
Punt Acc 5/100
Kickoff Power 55/55

These are it. I lowered QB Accuracy to 10 and it seems fine. I also left pass rush and pass block at default for both sides. You have to scheme properly to get sacks. They were too easy before. I have not sen a kick-off return for a TD in weeks now with no House Rules.

[doctorhay53]

Re: FistofRages's 2010 Heisman Slider Discussion

Hey Fist, I've been hoping to see your name up here in the slider discussion. Not alot of Heisman sliders floating around so far. I'll do what I can to get you feedback on these.

Just a couple of initial comments from the 5-6 games I've played on Heisman with similar sliders

1) 30 for QBA is definitely going to end up being too high for you. My personal preference is either 10-15, I haven't decided yet. 5 for Hum is definitely too low IMO. A QB with Accuracy in the mid-80's widely misses half their throws. I've been playing at 15 and have thought that was even a bit high. However my Comp % is about 55% so I'm feeling pretty good about it. I'm not sure I like WR catch so low but I will try it out.

2) HUM rushing game might be a little too easy with these. My rushing sliders were at default for human with CPU rush defense at 35 and I led the nation in rushing through 4 games (using ask corso even). I'll test these out and see how they feel.

A comment I haven't put anywhere else is that I think we need to be careful slamming the pass rush sliders to the extreme ends. I've been playing with CPU pass block at 0 and Hum pass rush at 100, but all I've really seen is my LE dominating their RT. From all of the other pass rushers there has been NOTHING, just from the one position. The same thing has been happening to me from the CPU, both my LE and the CPU LE have had 4 sack games.

I used a version of your sliders from the middle of your work last year and I'm looking forward to finding a set this year. The game appears to be very malleable with the sliders.

[doctorhay53]

Re: FistofRages's 2010 Heisman Slider Discussion

Do you test in dynasty or play now?

[fistofrage]

Re: FistofRages's 2010 Heisman Slider Discussion

Hey Fist, I've been hoping to see your name up here in the slider discussion. Not alot of Heisman sliders floating around so far. I'll do what I can to get you feedback on these.

Just a couple of initial comments from the 5-6 games I've played on Heisman with similar sliders

1) 30 for QBA is definitely going to end up being too high for you. My personal preference is either 10-15, I haven't decided yet. 5 for Hum is definitely too low IMO. A QB with Accuracy in the mid-80's widely misses half their throws. I've been playing at 15 and have thought that was even a bit high. However my Comp % is about 55% so I'm feeling pretty good about it. I'm not sure I like WR catch so low but I will try it out.

2) HUM rushing game might be a little too easy with these. My rushing sliders were at default for human with CPU rush defense at 35 and I led the nation in rushing through 4 games (using ask corso even). I'll test these out and see how they feel.

A comment I haven't put anywhere else is that I think we need to be careful slamming the pass rush sliders to the extreme ends. I've been playing with CPU pass block at 0 and Hum pass rush at 100, but all I've really seen is my LE dominating their RT. From all of the other pass rushers there has been NOTHING, just from the one position. The same thing has been happening to me from the CPU, both my LE and the CPU LE have had 4 sack games.

I used a version of your sliders from the middle of your work last year and I'm looking forward to finding a set this year. The game appears to be very malleable with the sliders.

Thanks Doc,

I noticed the same things you were talking about. I played some games last night, but it was the 1st time I really started testing things.

I am going to look at it tonight and most likely bump the AI rush D back up to default. I will also lower the human QB ACC. Even with pass rush at 75 and AI pass block at 25, I've been getting a very good pass rush.

I was really focusing on what the AI was doing last night because I only control the DT so my defense dowsn't have a very steep learning curve. For the most part, I will only improve marginally on D over today. But I liked what I saw out of the AI on offense.

The human sliders are going to take just a little more testing because I don't know the play books. Once I learn those, the plays become more productive, etc, so it could be a few days before I nail those down.

First order of business, Human passing. Initial idea, lower accuracy, Decrease Human pass block and possibly decrease AI coverage. I had bumped up AI coverage possibly too much to over compensate for my high accuracy.

Looking forward to testing tonight.

[edaddy]

Re: FistofRages's 2010 Heisman Slider Discussion

Hey man i have been using parts of Philly sliders pertaining to Human and CPU QB acc @5..It works great for me in that it truly seperates the good quartebacks from the average QB...I have seen animations that I have never saw before in relation to overthrows and DB coverage..I lowered Comp Pass Defense to 55 and Human Pass Defense to 50 and no longer get that physychis DB coverage where they know the wr route and break before the WR does..LOL..I had the QB ACC @ 30..to easy..25 to easy...15 way to easy..and 10 again to easy..put it @ 5 and you have to really time your throws..plus it adds that you don't know whats going to happen factor...

[HustlinOwl]

Re: FistofRages's 2010 Heisman Slider Discussion

Sliders need to be tested in dynasty mode rater than play now the game plays completely different

[fistofrage]

Re: FistofRages's 2010 Heisman Slider Discussion

Sliders need to be tested in dynasty mode rater than play now the game plays completely different

This is good to know. Only been playing now games.

What differences have you seen? Harder or easier in dynasty?

[leetdemon]

Re: FistofRages's 2010 Heisman Slider Discussion

Sliders need to be tested in dynasty mode rater than play now the game plays completely different

I test mine in both and have not noticed any difference.

[HustlinOwl]

Re: FistofRages's 2010 Heisman Slider Discussion

I test mine in both and have not noticed any difference.

Really, I think dynasty is harder and this was the case last year as well

[doctorhay53]

Re: FistofRages's 2010 Heisman Slider Discussion

Just finished a very weird play now game with these sliders. In my experience, play now was very different from dynasty, mainly in penalties. Perhaps the game has some different types of officiating, but in this game there was a total of 22 penalties for 180 yards. Keep in mind I play on 9 minute quarters. Thoughts following stats.

Michigan at ND(me)
Final score: 3 - 10

hum/cpu
TO: 340/175
RY: 34-105 / 32 - 35
PY: 23-43-235 / 13-30-140
3rd down: 7-19 / 5-17
INT thrown: 3 / 2
Pen: 9-80 / 13-100

Some ind. stats

ND:
Clausen 13-30 140yds 0TD 2INT 43% 4 sacks
Allen 22att 61yds 2.7 YPC long of 10
Kamara 6rec 67yds
Tate Floyd and kamara 2 drops each, 10 drops total!
10 pancakes
Brian Smith (me) 18 tkl 5 TFL
only 1 team sack, by DT on a screen play

Mich:
QB 23-43 235 yds 0TD 3INT 53%
HB 27-91 3.3 YPC long 16
WR#22 8rec 67yds
6 drops total
1 pancake
FS#3 10 tkl
RE#53 2 sacks

Penalty sliders used:
75
75
55
50
60
100
60
50
60
50
60

This was a weird game. In my 5 dynasty games I've played so far I've never seen so many penalties as in this play now game, with the same penalty sliders. I don't mind, in fact I love that we can now get penalties right. I just thought it was weird.

I returned the opening kickoff for a TD. Both offenses had some trouble, mine especially. Michigan's DL completely dominated the game. I didn't have many holes to run through and I had no time to pass. They ran a ton of press and my WR couldn't get open. There were way too many drops though. Twice I had single coverage on Tate, who beat the press and was open for a long gain. Twice he dropped the easy over-the-shoulder. Floyd dropped one as well. All-in-all, I completely hated the passing game. It just didn't feel right.

CPU passing game felt great in terms of QB accuracy. I do think we can lower HUM INT a little bit more, or maybe pass coverage. Not too much, they did rack up some yards on me. But I want to cut down on silly picks (their RB missed on in the flat that my CB picked off).

Despite the numbers being a little low I thought the CPU running game was pretty effective. This was a defensive struggle but I had some timely TFL as the MLB that probably skewed their rushing numbers down a bit.

Personal suggestions going forward:
1) Test in dynasty. I'm going to start a dynasty and play two games before I start to make up my mind about a slider set. We can test this more to see if it's needed.

2) Lower Hum QB acc, raise Hum WR catch, Lower HUM pass def or INT, raise Hum pass rush

3) Lower CPU pass block, lower CPU pass def, raise cpu catching (slightly)

I don't want to take CPU passing game out of balance but I felt they had too many drops. If we raise CPU catch we have to be careful about lowering HUM pass defense stuff.

Taking a break for a bit. May make some personal changes and keep testing.

[fistofrage]

Re: FistofRages's 2010 Heisman Slider Discussion

^^ God stuff Doc, alot of the changes you thought were needed, I planned on tweaking tonight.

[fistofrage]

Re: FistofRages's 2010 Heisman Slider Discussion

Update, pretty much the AI run game is too easy to stuff. Played a few games with human run defense at 5 and I held Ohio State to 73 yards on 33 carries and Oregon to 20 yards on 20 carries both games on the road as Michigan State.

Going to try bumping up the run block sliders for the AI and that seems to have helped. Got to be careful on special teams because they can break long retruns easily if not careful because of this, but the AI can't seem to find a run game regardless of how low you set the rush defense.

[C_Bailey24]

Re: FistofRages's 2010 Heisman Slider Discussion

Maybe its just me but so far im finding that the QB acc slider really only seems to affect my QB. I havent seen to many bad/errant throws by the CPU even if i lower it to 10. If i lower the WR catch slider to, say, 35 in conjuction only then do i get a decent amount of incompletes by the CPU, but again those are mostly drops.

[doctorhay53]

Re: FistofRages's 2010 Heisman Slider Discussion

Maybe its just me but so far im finding that the QB acc slider really only seems to affect my QB. I havent seen to many bad/errant throws by the CPU even if i lower it to 10. If i lower the WR catch slider to, say, 35 in conjuction only then do i get a decent amount of incompletes by the CPU, but again those are mostly drops.

I personally think 5 is a very good setting for the CPU QB acc.

[doctorhay53]

Re: FistofRages's 2010 Heisman Slider Discussion

Update, pretty much the AI run game is too easy to stuff. Played a few games with human run defense at 5 and I held Ohio State to 73 yards on 33 carries and Oregon to 20 yards on 20 carries both games on the road as Michigan State.

Going to try bumping up the run block sliders for the AI and that seems to have helped. Got to be careful on special teams because they can break long retruns easily if not careful because of this, but the AI can't seem to find a run game regardless of how low you set the rush defense.

I don't think HUM run defense at 5 and raised cpu run blocking can be a long term solution because of the kick returns. I hope they address the kick returns in patch #2, because the game has alot of potential to be great.

edit: what are you doing to stuff the run exactly? I'm not finding the run stuffing issue quite as bad as you, so I was wondering what the difference is. I use mostly ask corso and I don't shift my DL too much. I'm wondering if your adjustments are the difference. Also, is this from play now or dynasty testing?