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  • jhawkmike
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    • Jul 2007
    • 176

    #1

    GAME BREAKING BUG - Madden 10 and NCAA 10

    This bug is related to press coverage. I discovered this in NCAA 10 and confirmed that it also exists in the Madden 10 demo. This bug did not exist in NCAA 2009 or Madden 2009.

    I noticed that, when up against man to man press coverage, receivers seemed to have a lot easier time getting open if they lined up on the left side of the line of scrimmage than if they lined up on the right. It didn't make any sense. An average receiver going against a good defender on the left side of the line would have a better chance of getting open than a good receiver going against an average defender on the right side of the line.

    The cause is this: When a receiver is pressed at the line of scrimmage, he will ALWAYS release to his right side. By release I mean he gets by the receiver by making a move to his right. So if he lines up on the left side of the line and runs a slant/cross/post/In against press coverage, he'll create a little bit of separation from the defender and get open. If he runs the same pattern from the right of the line, he won't get open. The defender will actually be a step ahead of the receiver instead of a step behind. The exception is when the receiver completely burns the defender and blows by him at the line of scrimmage; then it doesn't make much difference which side he lined up on.

    To me, this is a game breaker. I won't play NCAA10 again until/unless this gets fixed, and I also won't buy Madden10. There's just no point; I'd rather play the 2009 versions. If you mostly play against the CPU, then it might not be that apparent because the CPU doesn't play press coverage that often.

    Edited to add this video: I took a video to illustrate my point. I made some changes to the depth charts to show how dramatically this glitch affects gameplay. On the right side of the line, Texas's best 2 WRs are going up against OU players who aren't even real cornerbacks. I subbed in backup halfbacks Madu and Calhoun. Their CB rating is 40. On the left side, I put in defensive players at Wide Receiver. They are going up against Oklahoma's 2 best corners. As you can see from the video, which side of the line of scrimmage he lines up on has a much greater impact on a WR's ability to get open against man to man press coverage than how good he is or how good the defender covering him is.
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    Last edited by jhawkmike; 07-28-2009, 11:14 AM.
  • splff3000
    MVP
    • Jun 2003
    • 2867

    #2
    Re: GAME BREAKING BUG - Madden 10 and NCAA 10

    Originally posted by jhawkmike
    This bug is related to press coverage. I discovered this in NCAA 10 and confirmed that it also exists in the Madden 10 demo. This bug did not exist in NCAA 2009 or Madden 2009.

    I noticed that, when up against press coverage, receivers seemed to have a lot easier time getting open if they lined up on the left side of the line of scrimmage than if they lined up on the right. It didn't make any sense. An average receiver going against a good defender on the left side of the line would have a better chance of getting open than a good receiver going against an average defender on the right side of the line.

    The cause is this: When a receiver is pressed at the line of scrimmage, he will ALWAYS release to his right side. By release I mean he gets by the receiver by making a move to his right. So if he lines up on the left side of the line and runs a slant/cross/post/In against press coverage, he'll create a little bit of separation from the defender and get open. If he runs the same pattern from the right of the line, he won't get open. The defender will actually be a step ahead of the receiver instead of a step behind. The exception is when the receiver completely burns the defender and blows by him at the line of scrimmage; then it doesn't make much difference which side he lined up on.

    To me, this is a game breaker. I won't play NCAA10 again until/unless this gets fixed, and I also won't buy Madden10. There's just no point; I'd rather play the 2009 versions. If you mostly play against the CPU, then it might not be that apparent because the CPU doesn't play press coverage that often.
    You must haven't played NCAA 10 too much. The CPU presses alot and is good at it too. That's an interesting theory you have though. In NCAA, I've noticed that when I get pressed at the line, I tend to throw to the left WR more even though he's the second WR. Maybe subconsciously, I see the same thing that you're saying or it could just be that I'm more comfortable throwing to the left than the right in those situations. I don't know. Anyway, I'm gonna have to check on this. BTW - I don't think this is a game killer by any means.
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    • WildFireXXI
      Banned
      • Jul 2009
      • 145

      #3
      Re: GAME BREAKING BUG - Madden 10 and NCAA 10

      Uh, I've had my CB push both to the outside AND inside and I get pressed to hell and back against the Steelers and it sounds like you're just complaining to complain so....

      /thread

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      • jhawkmike
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        • Jul 2007
        • 176

        #4
        Re: GAME BREAKING BUG - Madden 10 and NCAA 10

        I challenge anyone to produce a video that shows a WR breaking away from man to man press coverage by making a move to his left. I suppose it could be different against zone press; I haven't tested this out yet.

        Uh, I've had my CB push both to the outside AND inside
        If your receiver is lined up on the left side of the line, then he'll release to the inside. If he's lined up on the right side of the line, then he'll release to the outside.

        You must haven't played NCAA 10 too much. The CPU presses alot and is good at it too.
        But not nearly as much as humans do. I know that when I play man defense, I almost always press. And if I remember correctly, the man to man press coverage plays out of the Dime formation only press the outside receivers. The Dime and Nickel back won't press their receiver unless you do a coverage adjustment, and I think the CPU only applies press through its play selection and not through coverage audibles.

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        • thudias
          MVP
          • Jul 2006
          • 1995

          #5
          Re: GAME BREAKING BUG - Madden 10 and NCAA 10

          Originally posted by WildFireXXI
          Uh, I've had my CB push both to the outside AND inside and I get pressed to hell and back against the Steelers and it sounds like you're just complaining to complain so....

          /thread
          Yes..i agree..OP needs to clarify that this is not 100% of the time.
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          • jhawkmike
            Banned
            • Jul 2007
            • 176

            #6
            Re: GAME BREAKING BUG - Madden 10 and NCAA 10

            Originally posted by thudias
            Yes..i agree..OP needs to clarify that this is not 100% of the time.
            If it's not 100%, then it's at least 99%. I went into practice mode and ran the same play over and over again: Shotgun Spread-Slants. It has 4 WRs all running slant routes. I ran it 20 times against Dime-Cover 2 man (Y+down to press). Each play, all 4 receivers broke away from the press coverage by making a move to their right. That's 80 out of a possible 80.

            I did the same thing in NCAA 2009, and each time the receivers broke away to the inside whether they were on the right or left side of the line.

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            • wdctaylor
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              • May 2009
              • 84

              #7
              Re: GAME BREAKING BUG - Madden 10 and NCAA 10

              I feel like, personally, that this has been going on for a long time. I always seem to throw more to my left than right since like Madden 07.

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              • DirtyJerz32
                All Star
                • Aug 2007
                • 7617

                #8
                Re: GAME BREAKING BUG - Madden 10 and NCAA 10

                This seems a little odd but, I will say this. Slants, crossing patterns, and post are still to easy to execute IMO. If the CB could actually play the inside and cut that off it would make it harder for a WR or TE to break to inside thus cutting off a slant etc...

                I wish they would add this a coverage aud. They already have the option to have safties play in or outside, why not the DB's.
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                • MassNole
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                  • Mar 2006
                  • 18848

                  #9
                  Re: GAME BREAKING BUG - Madden 10 and NCAA 10

                  Well from my experience the CPU never changes the side of the field the #1 CB is on, that would account for a big part of this.

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                  • DirtyJerz32
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                    • Aug 2007
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                    #10
                    Re: GAME BREAKING BUG - Madden 10 and NCAA 10

                    I wish the cpu would actually throw to the #1 & 2 WR. IMO they throw to the slot and TE way to much. Anything in the middle of the field is considered open to the cpu. They will throw to the middle even if you have someoen there.

                    Last night I ran man 2 man on the outside and doubled the slot and TE and the cpu threw to the 1 and 2 maybe 30% percent of the time.

                    They talk about hit variety in baseball games video games, well they (cpu) need to have more of a variety of where they throw the ball.
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                    • MassNole
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                      • Mar 2006
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                      #11
                      Re: GAME BREAKING BUG - Madden 10 and NCAA 10

                      Originally posted by DirtyJerz32
                      I wish the cpu would actually throw to the #1 & 2 WR. IMO they throw to the slot and TE way to much. Anything in the middle of the field is considered open to the cpu. They will throw to the middle even if you have someoen there.

                      Last night I ran man 2 man on the outside and doubled the slot and TE and the cpu threw to the 1 and 2 maybe 30% percent of the time.

                      They talk about hit variety in baseball games video games, well they (cpu) need to have more of a variety of where they throw the ball.
                      I've actually noticed this to be a bigger problem post patch than it was before. I played Georgia before the patch and they consistently going to A.J. Green who was just killing me the entire game. I then played Alabama after the patch and Julio Jones only had 3-4 passes go his way.

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                      • BroMontana82
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                        • Nov 2004
                        • 2225

                        #12
                        Re: GAME BREAKING BUG - Madden 10 and NCAA 10

                        Originally posted by DirtyJerz32
                        I wish the cpu would actually throw to the #1 & 2 WR. IMO they throw to the slot and TE way to much. Anything in the middle of the field is considered open to the cpu. They will throw to the middle even if you have someoen there.

                        Last night I ran man 2 man on the outside and doubled the slot and TE and the cpu threw to the 1 and 2 maybe 30% percent of the time.

                        They talk about hit variety in baseball games video games, well they (cpu) need to have more of a variety of where they throw the ball.
                        yes, agreed...i also think they pass it to them too quickly too. and i rarely see CB's have good positioning to defend the slants over the middle to prevent the QB from passing it and getting an easy completion.

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                        • adembroski
                          49ers
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 5829

                          #13
                          Re: GAME BREAKING BUG - Madden 10 and NCAA 10

                          I'm not at home to look at it myself, but I think there might be something too this. I was playing with the Fighting Irish and my passing game was getting shut down against Nevada (!) because their #1 corner was pressing Golden Tate and just shutting him down that way. It took an eternity for him to get off the line.

                          I checked the ratings... Nevada's CB was an impact player, but his press coverage rating was 69. Golden Tate's release rating? 89. I should have been burning this guy all day with Tate. My other receiver (85 release) was getting off just fine against his man (81 press).

                          I'll look at it again next time I get a chance.
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                          • thudias
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                            • Jul 2006
                            • 1995

                            #14
                            Re: GAME BREAKING BUG - Madden 10 and NCAA 10

                            Originally posted by DirtyJerz32
                            I wish the cpu would actually throw to the #1 & 2 WR. IMO they throw to the slot and TE way to much. Anything in the middle of the field is considered open to the cpu. They will throw to the middle even if you have someoen there.

                            Last night I ran man 2 man on the outside and doubled the slot and TE and the cpu threw to the 1 and 2 maybe 30% percent of the time.

                            They talk about hit variety in baseball games video games, well they (cpu) need to have more of a variety of where they throw the ball.
                            This does happen a little to often for my taste as well. I find myself forcing throws to the outside just to keep it mixed up. I wish the CPU would do the same.
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                            • jhawkmike
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                              • Jul 2007
                              • 176

                              #15
                              Re: GAME BREAKING BUG - Madden 10 and NCAA 10

                              Originally posted by wdctaylor
                              I feel like, personally, that this has been going on for a long time. I always seem to throw more to my left than right since like Madden 07.
                              I have noticed it somewhat in past versions, but never this dramatic. And the bug didn't exist at all in 2009 versions.

                              Well from my experience the CPU never changes the side of the field the #1 CB is on, that would account for a big part of this.
                              It's not that. I was controlling both teams. I switched players (offense and defense) around so that the only variable was the side of the the line they were on. Of course, I'm talking about NCAA 10, but from what I can tell from the demo, this problem is also in Madden.

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