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Quote: Originally Posted by Behindshadows

It's a argument I'd rather not continue, as it never changes. You say it looks great and so does everyone else. Guess I got spoiled on how much they use to change every year to how they just barely evolve since they got to 360 and PS3. But everyone is happy with the cartoony looking graphics they have now! So it's point! Praise them! they are doing a great job with this pointless I have to pay for feature. $5 or not, it should be included for free!

It's honestly not an argument. I think I'm just missing your desire. I honestly want to know. Maybe shoot me a pm if you feel that there are people waiting to bait into an argument. I do agree that the 365 feature trumps this one in all aspects because it bring replayability for years to come in such an in depth way. Even moreso than anything else that we've seen in gaming. I think that they were generous for only charging $20 for the used also. They were basically covering up their behinds for those who want to use it. Can't use it for free which is something I wouldn't mind other companies doing in moderacy. If there is something in there that elevates the gaming, then charge for it for those who pick up the game as a used later on down the line which only seems fair.

I am genuinely curious to see what others are complaining about. I do see that the graphics and textures do need to be upgraded a bit. The textures in Live look so much more realistic. Their hair styles are so truer to reality also. I hate the hair in 2K. Negroid players still have painted on hair that is not true to color or texture. The Caucasoid players have painted on hair that just doesn't match. The skin textures need to definitely be overhauled. However, it still looks great in my opinion. There are little things within the game that do need tremendous touching up, especially seeing that we're on a new set of systems with more power.

I think that they're also focusing on the gameplay more than those visual aspects. Though Live upgraded their graphics to look well, they are apart of a poorly implemented system. Their hair styles look too great BUT the player models aren't proportional to what we see in reality. The arms are too long and the bones/muscles aren't correct. The movement isn't clean either which turns off so many people. I think that I like 2K's focus more than Lives because of the main push for the gameplay improvement.

Quote: Originally Posted by kcxiv

one thing i will say is. EA said they redid their whole football engine for the next gen and it plays worse then the next gen. Even imo M10 feels like crap to me (just my opinion, and i am not alone on that one). I still think its the same one just modified. I am sure thats what 2K has done, just modified it. If they start over, they are pretty much going to use the same stuff. I am sure they rewrite a quite a bit of code every year. This whole making a new engine thing is crazy. Exactly what engine are they supposed to rewrite? lol

I think too many people see the phrase "new engine" and "from the ground up" too often. They don't see what the difference is. Though Madden might be made from the ground up, there are still parts in it that are true to the previous installments. I love how it looks but in motion, it reminds me of why I'm not exactly the best fan. It is making strides though which is fantastic. I recalled that Ian Cummings tossed a very informative post on this site that so many people may have overlooked or just plain ignored. I'll continue to put the post down so that people can continue to read it and become informed according to their own thoughts and not from other people's words.

Can People Please Stop Asking For A New Engine??

Get informed OS!!