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  • datruth
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    • Jun 2004
    • 308

    #1

    Things I see on Sunday but not in Madden10 online. (Video Examples)

    I'm not looking to bash the gamebut with some tweaks in online gameplay I think the game will better mimic real NFL games. Videos are just to show an example of what is missing from M10. Some issues are minor others can drastically improve online play IMHO.

    DB's see the ball before they react. Top tier corners should strafe faster than average corners so there is less of a need to turn their back to the ball. Just make Champ strafe backwards faster or turn quicker before swating at the ball.
    real life Video M10 Video

    WR's STOP, TURN, ELEVATE AND CATCH. ie. Rocket catch. I know most ppl are like heck NO but if you take it out for offense than it should be taken out for defense as well. It's too easy for ppl to strafe and RC on D online. I think it's funny that ppl didn't want to use it on Off but they use it all the time on D with no complaints.
    Video Video Video Video

    A draw play for positive yards. I think the coding for these plays need a lot of work. I never see them run online and when I try to set one up the result is a tackle for loss 90% of the time. O-line should pass block not run block on a draw.
    rl Video rl Video M10 Video

    Not all RB's can pick up a blitz. Too often, small RB's stop my LB's from getting to the QB. Some RB's should just get ran over by DE's once and a while.
    rl Video1 rl Video2 Madden 10 Video1

    Batted passes by DL and LB's. I see maybe one or two every other game. With the lack QB pressure or sacks there should be more batted balls at the LOS.
    Video Example

    QB hurries. Some QB's loose accuracy with a 260lb LB in their face.

    RB breaking shoe string tackles. I have yet to see one in over 20 online games. rl Video

    Some RB's and WR's do regain their balance. Agile backs should regain their balance or at least stumble farther before falling down. This animation (stumbling before falling) is in M10, (can't seem to duplicate it now) it just doesn't play that often. Players put their hand on the turf to regain balance every Sunday. It's in M10 PS2 but what happened to NG.
    rl #85 Example
    M10 #85 attempts 1st ....... last attempt!

    Big RB dragging smaller players for 5+ yards.
    This animation is in M10 but you never see it online. I changed the BKT and TAK sliders in practice mode and saw this animation for the first time tucking (with a big back) w/luggage.
    rl Video rl Video

    Pressure on the QB without blitzing. All too often 3rd and long situations (10+ yards) are converted (for a 1st) online due to the lack of front 4 pressure, requiring the need to blitz leaving receivers open. Blitz plays sending DBs take way to long getting to the Qb and are useless online. Sometimes a DT will collapse the pocket.
    real life Video 4 man rush on 3 and 11

    Crack back or cut blocks by WR or TE. WR in Madden grab and lock on DB's instead of trying to cut them down. I have yet to see a big TE de-cleat a tiny DB on a running play. I see these in NCAA 10 all of the time. M10 needs more bodies flying around the field.
    Video Perfect Example!

    Side line catches. Were they taken out of the game?

    Kickers miss FG. Everyone knows they are just to easy @50+ yards online.
    43 yard attempt by D.Ackers

    Teams that ground and pound with sucess. People (online) pass with teams that run the ball due to the overall lack of consistant run blocking. Avarge to subpar LB's seem to often get of the block and close down the running lanes. People will run the ball more if M10 had better run blocking.

    Fumbles. I've seen maybe 4 or 5 in 20 online games.
    Video

    Defensive Pass Interferance. With the rule changes, there is one almost every game. If your not going to remove RC-ing on D then make them get called for more DPI as a risk/reward for using it.

    I started this thread b/c I wan't to help improve online gameplay. You all won't agree with my ideas but you can't argue with the video.

    Maybe Ian will see it and use it to help correct some glaring issues. Maybe he won't.
  • MVP23
    Rookie
    • Jun 2009
    • 329

    #2
    Re: Things I see on Sunday but not in Madden10 online. (Video Examples)

    Some real Nice points. Ea just told use they fixed it but it was not. Also another thing is the backpeddling for the Corners are horrible. Ea if you want real Backpeddling ask a pro football player or something. I will do it for free.
    Washington Redskins

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    • kcq71
      Rookie
      • Aug 2006
      • 239

      #3
      Re: Things I see on Sunday but not in Madden10 online. (Video Examples)

      Powerful post with video evidence that no one can deny.
      Last edited by kcq71; 08-15-2009, 11:36 AM.

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      • Rockafella2x
        Pro
        • Mar 2008
        • 510

        #4
        Re: Things I see on Sunday but not in Madden10 online. (Video Examples)

        well to me on curl routes it seems like the CB knows the route better than the WR and I hate how the WR never 'goes' to catch the ball they wait for it to come to them while the CB isnt standing still and is making a play on it

        presentation wise it would be cool if they had starting lineups and showed the players faces on screen or maybe just names for regular games but show their picture on sundday/monday night games

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        • Keith121212
          Banned
          • Jul 2004
          • 549

          #5
          Re: Things I see on Sunday but not in Madden10 online. (Video Examples)

          Great thread. Someone should forward it to Ian.

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          • bls
            MVP
            • Oct 2003
            • 1788

            #6
            Re: Things I see on Sunday but not in Madden10 online. (Video Examples)

            Excellent post!!! Good illustration with the videos as well from the actual nfl games and how it should be done in Madden. Can't disagree with your points at all.

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            • gator3guy
              MVP
              • Jul 2004
              • 2233

              #7
              Re: Things I see on Sunday but not in Madden10 online. (Video Examples)

              If I could add one thing I would say there needs to be more catch animatons. That over the shoulder catch is a little overdone and half the time they turn the wrong way. Sideline catches as you said need to be included and someone else said the receiver doesnt go and get the ball he waits. That is absoltely correct. The OP touched on it in his post. Many times I (as well as my opponents) get a one on one deep with a safety against a receiver. The receiver either does an over the shoulder animation or just lets the DB knock it down. That is a golden oppurtunity wasted. The receiver needs to go up and get the ball.

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              • huskerwr38
                MVP
                • Mar 2009
                • 1549

                #8
                Re: Things I see on Sunday but not in Madden10 online. (Video Examples)

                This is a great thread. Good examples. Gameplay needs ALOT of work in this game. It's still fun, but can be frustrating because of a lot of the things you pointed out.

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                • Glorious Arc
                  MVP
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 1875

                  #9
                  Re: Things I see on Sunday but not in Madden10 online. (Video Examples)

                  Great post. While I agree on almost all of your points, I disagree that the run game is inconsistent to an extent. Try running with the panthers with their playbook. I tend to average 4+ ypc with every RB on plays that dont have someone pulling. The pulling logic is so messed up that they will almost always allow someone behind the los and that ruins most of those run plays.

                  The run game this year seems to be less truck based and more position based. If you follow the blocks and angle yourself up you can break more tackles(or loosen pursuit) juking and spinning compared to use the truck/stiff arm.
                  Last edited by Glorious Arc; 08-15-2009, 02:33 PM.

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                  • datruth
                    Rookie
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 308

                    #10
                    Re: Things I see on Sunday but not in Madden10 online. (Video Examples)

                    Originally posted by gator3guy
                    If I could add one thing I would say there needs to be more catch animations. That over the shoulder catch is a little overdone and half the time they turn the wrong way. Sideline catches as you said need to be included and someone else said the receiver doesn't go and get the ball he waits. That is absolutely correct. The OP touched on it in his post. Many times I (as well as my opponents) get a one on one deep with a safety against a receiver. The receiver either does an over the shoulder animation or just lets the DB knock it down. That is a golden opportunity wasted. The receiver needs to go up and get the ball.
                    There are a lot of things Ian and Co got right in the passing game and secondary defense, but WR control and catching defiantly needs tweaking. WR catch animations are severely limited.

                    I understand the plight, trying to please the stick-skilled-sim-ballers and the casual gamer looking for a fair playing field online. That being said. Ian's mission statement was he wanted to give us Everything You See on Sunday, See it in Madden NFL. Well Ian, I see RCing every single game in the NFL.

                    The fact is, that rocket catching is in the game, (disabled for online) we see it in every professional football game. Last years spin catch and this years over the shoulder catch is a issue due to receivers not being able turn and square up to the ball. ie. rocket catch.

                    If rocket catching can't be implemented on offense, then at the very least it should be toned down for defense online.

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                    • gator3guy
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 2233

                      #11
                      Re: Things I see on Sunday but not in Madden10 online. (Video Examples)

                      O and way too many dropped easy INT's. It's been this way in MAdden for years and IDK why. This just allows people to blindlesly throw into double coverage with little to no penalty. I played a guy last night that just threw deep to Heyward-Bey. At one point I had triple coverage, he threw the ball and the pic was dropped. They need to find another way to reduce INT's. It should not be DB's flat out dropping INT's, cuz that just looks plain dumb.

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                      • datruth
                        Rookie
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 308

                        #12
                        Re: Things I see on Sunday but not in Madden10 online. (Video Examples)

                        Originally posted by Glorious Arc
                        Great post. While I agree on almost all of your points, I disagree that the run game is inconsistent to an extent.
                        I'm talking about the inside running game and how high rated guards and tackles miss blocks letting DT, DE and LB's come free all to often.

                        Originally posted by Glorious Arc
                        Try running with the panthers with their playbook. I tend to average 4+ ypc with every RB on plays that dont have someone pulling. The pulling logic is so messed up that they will almost always allow someone behind the los and that ruins most of those run plays.
                        Exactly! And that kills 1/3 of the running plays in the playbook. But this can be fixed with the adjustment of online sliders.

                        Originally posted by Glorious Arc
                        The run game this year seems to be less truck based and more position based. If you follow the blocks and angle yourself up you can break more tackles(or loosen pursuit) juking and spinning compared to use the truck/stiff arm.
                        I agree, but it's not about breaking tackles, it's about inside run blocking. Funny thing is you never see the internal part of the line miss blocks on a 4th down QB sneak.

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                        • afro1989
                          Rookie
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 36

                          #13
                          Re: Things I see on Sunday but not in Madden10 online. (Video Examples)

                          out of all of those I'd love to see "Crack back or cut blocks by WR or TE" the most in Madden 11.

                          there aren't really any "oh!" moment in Madden 10. I want to see and hear someone get cracked.

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                          • The Lob Mob
                            Youtube Innovators
                            • Aug 2005
                            • 824

                            #14
                            Re: Things I see on Sunday but not in Madden10 online. (Video Examples)

                            Originally posted by datruth

                            Crack back or cut blocks by WR or TE. WR in Madden grab and lock on DB's instead of trying to cut them down. I have yet to see a big TE de-cleat a tiny DB on a running play. I see these in NCAA 10 all of the time. M10 needs more bodies flying around the field.
                            Video Perfect Example!
                            0:36

                            Last edited by The Lob Mob; 08-15-2009, 04:12 PM.
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                            • datruth
                              Rookie
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 308

                              #15
                              Re: Things I see on Sunday but not in Madden10 online. (Video Examples)

                              Originally posted by Glorious Arc
                              Great post. While I agree on almost all of your points, I disagree that the run game is inconsistent to an extent.
                              Just played a 10 minute unranked game on All Madden.

                              Here is the exact issue I was referring to involving the run blocking.

                              This has gotta get fixed.

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