3-4....NOBODY gets sacks, NEEDS FIXED!!!!

[PodSquad]

Re: EA needs to fix the 3-4 Defense!!!

God, this pisses me off. The 3-4 is a staple of the league! Some of the best defenses in the NFL use it, and its down right broken in Madden. Get some football people to work on this game, and can the computer nerds. Please.

[OBBcandyman]

Re: EA needs to fix the 3-4 Defense!!!

Keep in mind that while these changes would most definately help the user, the major impact this will have is on CPU controlled teams in the offseason/draft. We can pretty much do all these things right now by switching player's positions and drafting for scheme, but there's nothing in place that tells the CPU to do that.

Also, if you read this and feel strongly about it as a lot of you do, PLEASE reply to this post. The only way we will get EA's attention is if this generates some buzz. If they see a thread that doesn't have many posts then they wont be as inclined to see it. If they know the majority of us are passionate about it, they will have to listen.

They've been doing a good job at being active in the community and this years game is a huge improvement from last years... but that just shows us how much they are capable of accomplishing in a year and that they are serious about making this the best football game it can be.

Tell your friends!

This is a major gameplay problem that has been in madden for as long as i can remember. It's important for EA to fix this issue as it will bring a whole new element to running your defense. I agree with you that more people need to give their opinions in this thread so this problem can be put into the light

[imskykid]

Re: EA needs to fix the 3-4 Defense!!!

Another thing on the tweeners for other position...

While that would eventually be great, if you are looking for those guys for your own teams, you can already do that and switch their position manually. Like I said is my last post, these changes mainly impact the CPU drafting/free agent logic for the teams.

Also remember, BABY STEPS! We don't want to demand so much change. While the basis for this sounds reasonable, we dont know how much work this will actually take from a development standpoint. There would be glitches and kinks to work out just by creating one new position, albeit three.

I believe a REALISTIC thing to ask for is

1.) Separate Depth Charts.
2.) a Hybrid DE/OLB position for players in the league who already fit this mold and generated rookies.
3.) a NT position with different rating qualification than a DT.

While having a seperate position for the 5-Technique would be great, I feel it can be accomplished by just making those slots on the 3-4 depth chart DT's.

-----------DT--NT--DT----------

If they wanted to take this a step further, make the 4-3 depth chart look like this:

------DE--NT--DT--DE-------

That way, the NT and DT positions can be consistent and can go to both 3-4 and 4-3 teams in offseason/free agency. The DT position would be your quicker, more athletic linemen (ie. Chris Canty, Glenn Dorsey, Ngata, Tommie Harris) and the NT's would be your space eaters, your big boys (ie. Casey Hampton, Kris Jenkins, BJ Raji, Vince Wilfork.)

If you make sure that every position has a place in each depth chart you would ensure that players are being properly utilized in the scheme. Also, make these players more apt to play for a team who runs the scheme they are used to, that way it's harder for a 4-3 team to get a Vince Wilfork or Casey Hampton in free agency, though still making it possible if you break the bank for them.

[imskykid]

Re: EA needs to fix the 3-4 Defense!!!

God, this pisses me off. The 3-4 is a staple of the league! Some of the best defenses in the NFL use it, and its down right broken in Madden. Get some football people to work on this game, and can the computer nerds. Please.

They still need the "computer nerds" because without them we wouldn't have a game at all. There needs to be a balance... some consultants or something.

But also remember to keep it in perspective that these guys have to make a new game every year. Just think how Bungie would fail if they had to make a whole new Halo every year. I'm no expert, but game development takes time. While we should still expect changes and nothing less than the best game year in and year out, we have to remain realistic in our "demands" and be reasonable.

I feel the impact of these new positions would affect the game on numerous levels that it would almost be impossible to ignore. This isn't "can you please add Peyton Manning's face mask" or "please give me a house in Superstar".... this is something that would revolutionize the entire way players are selected based on scheme in any mode.

Just think how fun it would be to create a Superstar who is a DE/OLB and not knowing what team will draft you and how you'll be used!!!

[PodSquad]

Re: EA needs to fix the 3-4 Defense!!!

They still need the "computer nerds" because without them we wouldn't have a game at all. There needs to be a balance... some consultants or something.

But also remember to keep it in perspective that these guys have to make a new game every year. Just think how Bungie would fail if they had to make a whole new Halo every year. I'm no expert, but game development takes time. While we should still expect changes and nothing less than the best game year in and year out, we have to remain realistic in our "demands" and be reasonable.

I feel the impact of these new positions would affect the game on numerous levels that it would almost be impossible to ignore. This isn't "can you please add Peyton Manning's face mask" or "please give me a house in Superstar".... this is something that would revolutionize the entire way players are selected based on scheme in any mode.

Just think how fun it would be to create a Superstar who is a DE/OLB and not knowing what team will draft you and how you'll be used!!!

They dont have to make a new game every year, are you serious? They just tweak the engine, thats why we have some of the same problems year after year going back to the last gen consoles.

[jesse_8711]

Re: EA needs to fix the 3-4 Defense!!!

great thread you guys.. i agree the 3-4 defense has needed help for years in madden and it's about time EA did something about it

[imskykid]

Re: EA needs to fix the 3-4 Defense!!!

They dont have to make a new game every year, are you serious? They just tweak the engine, thats why we have some of the same problems year after year going back to the last gen consoles.

I understand they dont have to completely develop a new game from scratch... that's not what I'm saying. But they try to make considerable strides from one year to another. Again, I'm no expert but I'm sure that Pro-Tak took a lot of time to implement into the game. Games like Halo have 5 years to create all new storylines and worlds... EA has a year to give us a reason to buy the next one.

I'm in no way trying to massage EA's ego or let them off the hook by releasing $60 roster updates every year. They have failed since 05 in creating a current-gen game that's worth purchasing every year. It just seems that this year they finally opened their ears and are listening, and so far it has paid off.

We expect them to continue with this, but we have to keep our expectations in perspective.

[woody2goody]

Re: EA needs to fix the 3-4 Defense!!!

While I don't disagree with the immediately above posts, I don't think this would be something that couldn't be accomplished in a year.

I usually use a 4-3 defense, but have had fun with the 3-4 in the past.

It needs to be done correctly though and this is a great indepth thread. If EA can see it, they will no doubt move this up their priority list for next year (or even a patch this year).

[imskykid]

Re: EA needs to fix the 3-4 Defense!!!

While I don't disagree with the immediately above posts, I don't think this would be something that couldn't be accomplished in a year.

I usually use a 4-3 defense, but have had fun with the 3-4 in the past.

It needs to be done correctly though and this is a great indepth thread. If EA can see it, they will no doubt move this up their priority list for next year (or even a patch this year).

I definately think the separate depth charts, hybrid DE/OLB position, and NT position could be implemented in a year. I think we have to push this issue if it's something we really want.

My only thing is we cant expect them to make tweener players for every position, that's all. Baby Steps... Just like with the presentation. It's good this year but there's still things that can and should be done.

Great discussion going on so far!!! If we keep it up, someone will notice.

[imskykid]

Re: EA needs to fix the 3-4 Defense!!!

For those of you with EA accounts (and I assume most) you can also follow this discussion in the EA Forums. They are some different things there that may not have been mentioned here... not to mention the more exposure the better!

http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/282922.page

[Yashi]

Re: EA needs to fix the 3-4 Defense!!!

I just wanted to add that I also think this needs to be a top priority and it's disappointing that a defensive scheme that so many teams run now doesn't work how it's supposed to.

I love the idea of the depth chart changing to reflect the 3-4 and having guys ratings change dramatically based on whether they're playing NT (DT), DE, or OLB in a 3-4 or 4-3, by the way.

[acidraindrops08]

Re: EA needs to fix the 3-4 Defense!!!

I just don't understand... They say they want everything you see on Sunday in the game, well the steelers won the super bowl and are the perfect example for a 3/4. They basically started the trend. I'm just a little upset because they neglect this each year, yet the most prominent team in the NFL runs the this defense, snd has for a very very long time. I just dnt think the ea guys know football nearly as much as they should.

[PodSquad]

Re: EA needs to fix the 3-4 Defense!!!

I just don't understand... They say they want everything you see on Sunday in the game, well the steelers won the super bowl and are the perfect example for a 3/4. They basically started the trend. I'm just a little upset because they neglect this each year, yet the most prominent team in the NFL runs the this defense, snd has for a very very long time. I just dnt think the ea guys know football nearly as much as they should.

Its obvious that they dont know the game at all. Steelers, Cowboys, Chargers, Packers, even the Pats run some 3-4, those are some of the most famous franchises in the sport, and they get it ALL wrong.

[imskykid]

Re: EA needs to fix the 3-4 Defense!!!

Its obvious that they dont know the game at all. Steelers, Cowboys, Chargers, Packers, even the Pats run some 3-4, those are some of the most famous franchises in the sport, and they get it ALL wrong.

I believe there are 15 teams this year running some form of 3-4 and this number will probably continue to go up. Here's why...

It all start will college football and the evolution of the spread. Because offenses have been terrorizing defenses with the spread for the past decade, teams are compensating and recruiting for SPEED! Players that would be recruited to play LB are being put at DE in college... hell, DE Jerry Hughes with TCU was a star HB in highschool! That's why we have so many marquee players come out as hybrid DE/OLB like Ware and Merriman.

Also, more and more spread formations showing up in the NFL, it is easier to get pressure on the QB using the 3-4 because you don't know where that extra pass rusher is coming from. And the players that dont come still have coverage abilities and can make life hell on a QB.

EA will have to take notice because the 3-4 is not going away.

[Gogey]

Re: EA needs to fix the 3-4 Defense!!!

I'd very much like to see madden bring over the ratings system from Head Coach 09. The Potential/Overall ratings switched with the philosophies you set up in menus. For example, if you had a 4-3 DT philosophy, someone like Mount Cody wouldn't be favorable, and that team wouldn't draft him at all. On the other hand, if you had a 3-4 NT philosophy, Mount Cody would be everything you wanted, and his rating would be very, very high. Same with Undersized Pash Rushers/3-4 DE philosophies, and it worked for every position. Could easily help the way the CPU drafts once what they look for in a position changes based on their system/coaches.