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  • burne
    Rookie
    • Jun 2007
    • 190

    #1

    My feedback: CPU QB takes more sacks instead of throwing dumb passes, I'm happy

    I find that my biggest issue is something that could easily be fixed, but snowballs into all the other issues and kinda ruins the outcomes of games for me.

    So I play on All-Pro because I want the most fair-tuned experience. When the pass rush nears the AI QB, if he would simply be tuned to be more likely to just take the sack, it would fix my games to be NEAR perfect...

    Here's what happens: I get these games with amazing near-real life stats except for a couple of figures, oh AND the games are blowouts in my favor, along the lines of 45-7.

    I pressure the AI QB, he throws the ball in a panic rather than taking a sack, so he either throws a duck or into coverage. These get picked off fairly often and because the offensive players' pursuit rating is nerfed to the point of them being ******** monkeys, these turn into pick-6's.

    Then the CPU gets down big and stops running the ball. More passes, more pass rush, more interceptions.

    So I wind up with 0 or 1 sacks, 3 interceptions for TDs, and the CPU doesn't run the ball enough.

    The problem is that without those pick-6's, I find the stats are amazing, passing yardage, MY running yardage, run averages and pass averages are all in pretty realistic sweet spots. Take those 3 TD's off the board and its 24-7 instead of 45-7. The CPU keeps the ball longer, runs the ball, keeps good field position and maybe scores once or twice. So take away one or two of my scoring possessions and give them a FG or two and they're at 17-13 or so. Turn those picks into sacks and their QB has a realistic day, and I get realistic sack stats.


    RAISE THE RATE AT WHICH CPU QB's TAKE THE SACK.
    Last edited by burne; 08-21-2009, 01:04 AM.
  • thekodinator
    Pro
    • Oct 2008
    • 793

    #2
    Re: My feedback: CPU QB takes more sacks instead of throwing dumb passes, I'm happy

    Amen bro. Great observations... it all totally adds up.
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    • kmart2180
      Pro
      • Jul 2006
      • 892

      #3
      Re: My feedback: CPU QB takes more sacks instead of throwing dumb passes, I'm happy

      +1
      EA,
      Simply change the Qb's logic from "sack" to "interception" and we will all be good. If the qb tried as hard not to throw a pick as hard as they try and not get sacked we would have an amazing game (well close to anyways)
      Madden25 next gen cant come soon enough!!!

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      • FedExPope
        Pro
        • Aug 2009
        • 900

        #4
        Re: My feedback: CPU QB takes more sacks instead of throwing dumb passes, I'm happy

        I agree with this. There's too many ducks, way more than there are in real life, and that goes for my QBs too.

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        • RaiderKtulu
          MVP
          • Oct 2003
          • 1377

          #5
          Re: My feedback: CPU QB takes more sacks instead of throwing dumb passes, I'm happy

          Don't use the sprint button.

          You know how defenders break off their blocks way too quickly if you sprint while you're in the backfield on offense, right? Maybe it's in my head, but I think the same principle applies on defense. Don't hold down sprint when you're going after the QB.

          Also if the user controlled pick sixes bother you, don't hold sprint when you're returning one unless you think it's legit.

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          • FunkDockta27
            MVP
            • Feb 2007
            • 1079

            #6
            Re: My feedback: CPU QB takes more sacks instead of throwing dumb passes, I'm happy

            i havent had this problem as much as alot of people here apparently, after 10 or so games, im not even getting an INT a game...im averaging bout 3 sacks a game tho...and ive mainly used tennesee (4 games) buffalo (3 games) atlanta (2 games) and TB (1 game)

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            • cjallure24
              Hail To The Redskins!
              • May 2007
              • 2319

              #7
              Re: My feedback: CPU QB takes more sacks instead of throwing dumb passes, I'm happy

              Can't say I'm having this problem either. I just finished my first year in Franchise, and here are the sack totals......

              Haynesworth(11)
              Orakpo(7)
              A.Carter(8)
              P.Daniels(5)
              C.Griffin(5)
              R.McIntosh(4)

              That's (40) sacks in a year, and I still was in the middle of the pack at the end of the season in Sacks....I thought I did really good, but the Panthers had (62) total on the year at number one.

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              • PantherBeast_OS
                RKO!!
                • Apr 2009
                • 6636

                #8
                Re: My feedback: CPU QB takes more sacks instead of throwing dumb passes, I'm happy

                Well this has been noted like a hundred times over by people since the game started coming out. I am sure once Ian comes back to work monday him and Phil will look into these problems and try to fix them. I know how ya'll fill. But it ain't just the AI QB not want to take a sack once on a while. But it is also a pressure issue with the human pass rush aswell. The only way the human D get any type of pressure is with the guy you control. But the other 10 guys the AI control on your team does not hardly get any pressure for you. Therefore you are the only giving any pressure when it comes to getting to the AI QB.The way both of these problems can besolvevery easy. Is 1 to tone down the AI wantting to throw the ball into coverage so much and take a little more sacking. 2 tweak the AI a little more to give a sense on getting more pressure for the Human controlled D.

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                • PantherBeast_OS
                  RKO!!
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 6636

                  #9
                  Re: My feedback: CPU QB takes more sacks instead of throwing dumb passes, I'm happy

                  Originally posted by cjallure24
                  Can't say I'm having this problem either. I just finished my first year in Franchise, and here are the sack totals......

                  Haynesworth(11)
                  Orakpo(7)
                  A.Carter(8)
                  P.Daniels(5)
                  C.Griffin(5)
                  R.McIntosh(4)

                  That's (40) sacks in a year, and I still was in the middle of the pack at the end of the season in Sacks....I thought I did really good, but the Panthers had (62) total on the year at number one.
                  And please tell me something. Did you get most of these sacks by you controlling the guys aswell??

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                  • SonicZulu25
                    Rookie
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 97

                    #10
                    Re: My feedback: CPU QB takes more sacks instead of throwing dumb passes, I'm happy

                    Originally posted by Pantherbeast
                    And please tell me something. Did you get most of these sacks by you controlling the guys aswell??
                    I know I get similar type results. I'm getting 3 to 4 sacks a game which to me is quite reasonable. Sometimes its me controlling and sometimes not. But I find that there needs to be some movement and stunting on the line as opposed to a static front 3 or 4 in order to get the pressure.

                    My only concern that I am noticing now is that my LE's seems to be hogging up most of the sacks. I remember this being a problem for me in 03-05 maddens. Anyone else seeing that or is it just me??

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                    • cjallure24
                      Hail To The Redskins!
                      • May 2007
                      • 2319

                      #11
                      Re: My feedback: CPU QB takes more sacks instead of throwing dumb passes, I'm happy

                      @PantherBeast....

                      I play majority of the time at MLB(London Fletcher).....but can say I have come off the edge with Orakpo, andhu Carter and have gotten sacks.......I come into a game and expect to get 4 or 5 sacks, I let the tempo of the game predict that. If I see there is a weakness in the offense e.g. back up QB, or multiple injured o-lineman, then I'll attack, if I'm playing a QB like Eli or Romo I don't blitz as much cause there awareness allows them to read my defense really fast.....But I have gotten quite a few Sacks on my own.

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                      • PantherBeast_OS
                        RKO!!
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 6636

                        #12
                        Re: My feedback: CPU QB takes more sacks instead of throwing dumb passes, I'm happy

                        Originally posted by cjallure24
                        @PantherBeast....

                        I play majority of the time at MLB(London Fletcher).....but can say I have come off the edge with Orakpo, andhu Carter and have gotten sacks.......I come into a game and expect to get 4 or 5 sacks, I let the tempo of the game predict that. If I see there is a weakness in the offense e.g. back up QB, or multiple injured o-lineman, then I'll attack, if I'm playing a QB like Eli or Romo I don't blitz as much cause there awareness allows them to read my defense really fast.....But I have gotten quite a few Sacks on my own.
                        OMG is no one listening to what I am saying here. I am not having trouble getting to the AI QB with the player I am controlling during a freaking play. It is the AI that is not getting hardly getting any pressure with the other guys on the human D during the plays. Are you getting what I am sayin. The AI needs the tweaking ok. That is the problem with the human controlled team. Ok you can not controlling 11 guys all at once on the D you control. The Ai controls the other 10. But the thing is the AI does not create hardly no pressure with the guys it controls on your team. So again that is where the teaking needs to happen ok. Get what I am saying.

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                        • mvandor
                          Banned
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 777

                          #13
                          Re: My feedback: CPU QB takes more sacks instead of throwing dumb passes, I'm happy

                          Originally posted by Pantherbeast
                          OMG is no one listening to what I am saying here. I am not having trouble getting to the AI QB with the player I am controlling during a freaking play. It is the AI that is not getting hardly getting any pressure with the other guys on the human D during the plays. Are you getting what I am sayin. The AI needs the tweaking ok. That is the problem with the human controlled team. Ok you can not controlling 11 guys all at once on the D you control. The Ai controls the other 10. But the thing is the AI does not create hardly no pressure with the guys it controls on your team. So again that is where the teaking needs to happen ok. Get what I am saying.

                          Yup, get ya.

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                          • dregnus
                            Rookie
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 24

                            #14
                            Re: My feedback: CPU QB takes more sacks instead of throwing dumb passes, I'm happy

                            I agree.

                            Yesterday, in my franchise. I had 3 pick 6s. One was legitimate, the CPU threw it right to my #4 CB while I had a heavy rush in garbage time.

                            The other two? A pick 6 returned by Marcus Stroud, and a pick 6 by Michael Johnson. Michael Johnson I could understand if I had him dropped back in coverage (see GT vs. Miami last year), but not rushing the passer. Stroud's was weird. 3 Guys surrounding the QB, he tries to throw it and looks like he just pitched the ball to Stroud. Pick 6.

                            Replace those interceptions with a sack (not the first one, mind you) and its a much closer game for me.

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                            • nxt
                              H**sm*n
                              • Jun 2003
                              • 1895

                              #15
                              Re: My feedback: CPU QB takes more sacks instead of throwing dumb passes, I'm happy

                              I'm sorry to say that I agree with the OP. QB logic (or whatever you want to call it) needs major tweaking. It's pick your poison: you can pressure/sack the QB playing on DL - but QB will often times panic and make bad passes turning into pick sixes, or play elsewhere DB/LB and QB has all day. Right now, I've resorted to house rules and only playing as DL on passing downs.

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