NHL 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360 & PS3)

[kerosene31]

Re: NHL 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

Why in the hell do I lose against the CPU in Chess?

That's a good point actually. Chess is a structured game that a computer can actually play. There's a finite number of moves you can make in chess.

With hockey, there's just too many unpredictable things that a human player can do.

[Scottdau]

Re: NHL 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

That's a good point actually. Chess is a structured game that a computer can actually play. There's a finite number of moves you can make in chess.

With hockey, there's just too many unpredictable things that a human player can do.

I see. I really like playing be a pro mode. I will play that a lot this year.

[adayinthelife]

Re: NHL 10 DEMO AI

- CPU AI will never ever instigate post whistle scrums (as far as I can tell)

- CPU AI will never fight you. You can pretty much have them bobble and fumble the puck all game if you intimidate them early.

- What's the point of the turtle button? You still get 5 for fighting. Can you actually get injured in a fight? If so that is really sweet!

The AI sort of started some stuff with me. I poked at the goalie after he had it covered and then came in like they usually do but then a little window in the top right corner popped up saying to press 'Y' to fight - similar to the way fighting used to be in the NHL 2004 era.

It'd be great if 2 AI characters occasionally got into stuff though. Also it's great that Guerin came in for the poster above, I've had too many fights as or against guys like Crosby, Zetterberg, Malkin, etc...

Also, I believe I remember Litty mentioning that players can be injured in fights this year to answer your question.

[Vikes1]

Re: NHL 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

A good sports game will let you play and not notice these boosts as badly. A good sports game allows you to win if you play the game well. A poor sports game forces you to recognize the boosts and adjust to them specifically. A bad sports game gives you those "WTF" moments where you want to throw the controller at the TV.

Well said Kerosene.

This is another reason why I like the NHL game as much as I do. At least to me...the cpu advantages aren't as glaringly noticeable to me as with other sports games. I should note that I normally play on All-Star level. I've never really felt flat out cheated on that game level.

As you alluded to Kerosene....nothing is more frustrating, or makes me lose interest in a sports game faster than knowing your obviously being cheated.

[Scottdau]

Re: NHL 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

I have to admit I am laughing pretty hard right now. So know people are agreeing that the AI has some kind of cheat after? Just like every game ever made. Any way I like the pinning in this game. I wish angles matter, but it is still cool pinning someone and then kicking the puck to a teammate. Very nice.

[RealmK]

Re: NHL 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

I have to admit I am laughing pretty hard right now. So know people are agreeing that the AI has some kind of cheat after? Just like every game ever made. Any way I like the pinning in this game. I wish angles matter, but it is still cool pinning someone and then kicking the puck to a teammate. Very nice.

Its aparently a speed advantage but thats the extent of it. The AI still uses the same strategies that the player does. At any rate per Redshirt that speed advantage in 10 is less than 09 and is tweakable even further now that we have cpu sliders. Which is good enough for me. Also understand Scott the licensing fees alone on goal songs make sure neither dev will have the exact songs in either game. I do love that I have the option to add them myself though, even if it takes a tiny bit of effort on my part.

[Scottdau]

Re: NHL 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

Its aparently a speed advantage but thats the extent of it. The AI still uses the same strategies that the player does. At any rate per Redshirt that speed advantage in 10 is less than 09 and is tweakable even further now that we have cpu sliders. Which is good enough for me. Also understand Scott the licensing fees alone on goal songs make sure neither dev will have the exact songs in either game. I do love that I have the option to add them myself though, even if it takes a tiny bit of effort on my part.

I get that, but still. I just feel like that is the one area this game is lacking, but again this is all opinion.

[savoie2006]

Re: NHL 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

The only difference in any games is how the CPU gets boosts. Neither 2k10 or NHL10 are going to play fair (along with any other sports game out there).

Well according the VC, the infamous speed boost the Cpu got on the higher difficulty levels is now gone for 2K10. I guess we'll see. The NHL10 developers I believe have openly said the Cpu has a slight boost on the All Star and Superstar levels. As long as the sliders can fix this, I'm Ok with it I guess. My biggest concern with NHL10 right now is how much the sliders will fix the Cpu pass accuracy. I don't want the realism of innaccurate passes to be just with the user.

[Eddie1967]

Re: NHL 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

See this is what I don't understand. Thorne and Clement are exciting to listen to, graphically the game is flat out sexy. Cutscenes with hats thrown on the ice for home team tricks, players getting ejected after a game misconduct, players being injuried being helped off the ice, player stat overlays during stoppages showing stats. What do you guys who hate the presentation need to actually like it? If they had flashy spot light intros would that make that much of a big difference? Presentation of the on ice action between the two games is pretty much identical, except Thorne and Clement's commentary is a whole hell of a lot better and more professional sounding. Not to mention theres a TON of new dialog this year vs the same 5-6 year old 2k pbp script. Enlighten me because I just don't get the whole stale presentation arguement.

I just don't feel the excitement during the game like I felt for 2k9. It's just not there. The fans look cartoonish to me, even the tower waving looks a bit goofy. Like someone said when the redwings score, it just doesn't seem like a playoff goal was scored by the fan reaction. So far the most exciting thing I have heard when the wings score a goal is the announcer and not the crowd, and to me it should be the other way around. And the Arena's, I know this isn't a big thing to some people but it is to me, this game should have the actual arena's to give it some authenticity complete with all the intros and the goal horns etc.

2K did a fine job with that last year and has improved upon that in 2k10 as was shown in the Detroit Redwings game intro. 2k's arenas come to life, each and everyone of them and that's a huge part of hockey IMO. NHL 10's gameplay seems to play a fine game of hockey no doubt, but they could go a long way towards having a complete game if the developers would take the time to add more of the bells and whistles that you actually see in a hockey game. I'll gladly give them my 60 dollars if they ever get around to doing this.

[onlybygrace]

Re: NHL 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

I just don't feel the excitement during the game like I felt for 2k9. It's just not there. The fans look cartoonish to me, even the tower waving looks a bit goofy. Like someone said when the redwings score, it just doesn't seem like a playoff goal was scored by the fan reaction. So far the most exciting thing I have heard when the wings score a goal is the announcer and not the crowd, and to me it should be the other way around. And the Arena's, I know this isn't a big thing to some people but it is to me, this game should have the actual arena's to give it some authenticity complete with all the intros and the goal horns etc.

2K did a fine job with that last year and has improved upon that in 2k10 as was shown in the Detroit Redwings game intro. 2k's arenas come to life, each and everyone of them and that's a huge part of hockey IMO. NHL 10's gameplay seems to play a fine game of hockey no doubt, but they could go a long way towards having a complete game if the developers would take the time to add more of the bells and whistles that you actually see in a hockey game. I'll gladly give them my 60 dollars if they ever get around to doing this.

Whatever, Eddie...just spend your 60 dollars on the gem of a game MLB 2k10 will surely be.

Yes, I meant to say MLB.

[Scottdau]

Re: NHL 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

Just because he disagrees with you. You know what? That is OK. If you guys like the Presentation that is all that matters. To me gameplay is important, but so is presentation. I figure if I am going to spend $60 why can't I have both.

[savoie2006]

Re: NHL 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

Whatever, Eddie...just spend your 60 dollars on the gem of a game MLB 2k10 will surely be.

Yes, I meant to say MLB.

Who's to say it won't be a gem?

[kai123]

Re: NHL 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

I am no moderator but this thread seems derailed. People stay on topic i like these impressions because it gets me pumped to try the PS3 demo. please people

[Scottdau]

Re: NHL 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

I agree. I like the way the puck moves this year. It feels like it is on ice now. The goalies are looking great too this year. I love BAP mode. I am digging that big time. Still haven't been drafted by the Sharks yet, but that is becasue I keep scoring goals in the stars game. But I am no teammate. I always get a D in that, but for stats A to A+.

[RealmK]

Re: NHL 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

Just because he disagrees with you. You know what? That is OK. If you guys like the Presentation that is all that matters. To me gameplay is important, but so is presentation. I figure if I am going to spend $60 why can't I have both.

Its more so proving a point. The two people who have an issue with EA's presentation are pretty much the same two who have a hard on for 2k's flashy arena intros and their herky jerky celebrations when pretty much no one else does. Coincidence? Doubtful.