NHL 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360 & PS3)

[RealmK]

Re: NHL 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

I just don't feel the excitement during the game like I felt for 2k9. It's just not there. The fans look cartoonish to me, even the tower waving looks a bit goofy. Like someone said when the redwings score, it just doesn't seem like a playoff goal was scored by the fan reaction. So far the most exciting thing I have heard when the wings score a goal is the announcer and not the crowd, and to me it should be the other way around. And the Arena's, I know this isn't a big thing to some people but it is to me, this game should have the actual arena's to give it some authenticity complete with all the intros and the goal horns etc.

2K did a fine job with that last year and has improved upon that in 2k10 as was shown in the Detroit Redwings game intro. 2k's arenas come to life, each and everyone of them and that's a huge part of hockey IMO. NHL 10's gameplay seems to play a fine game of hockey no doubt, but they could go a long way towards having a complete game if the developers would take the time to add more of the bells and whistles that you actually see in a hockey game. I'll gladly give them my 60 dollars if they ever get around to doing this.

Eh I just don't see it. Fans cheer in 2k9 when the away team scores or the home team takes penalties, they don't react realistically to the play on the ice. Their goal celebrations are downright awful. The commentary is a 5 year old script, corny, and unprofessional sounding. Sure their arenas look great and the flashy intros are a nice touch but theres alot more to presentation than those two factors. I score a goal in the NHL10 demo, the crowd reacts based on which team I am appropriately, Thorne goes nuts and sounds genuinely excited and I'm greeted by a professional looking cutscene of my players celebrating, or high fiving the bench. I'm fine with that personally.

[phillyfan23]

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Its more so proving a point. The two people who have an issue with EA's presentation are pretty much the same two who have a hard on for 2k's flashy arena intros and their herky jerky celebrations when pretty much no one else does. Coincidence? Doubtful.

i've gotten the EA title the past 3 years, but i agree with Eddie here. The presentation is better for 2k and the gameplay overall COULD be better than nhl 10...who knows.

I mean, if the pass accuracy of the cpu can't be fixed on superstar level....NHL 10 to me is a failure. great thing 2ki has taken out the high level boosts, I just don't understand why EA has to take this route. It totally ruins the integrity/realism of the sport....pretty ironic that EA hockey always uses the buzzword "AUTHENTIC"......still ways to go.

[RealmK]

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i've gotten the EA title the past 3 years, but i agree with Eddie here. The presentation is better for 2k and the gameplay overall COULD be better than nhl 10...who knows.

I mean, if the pass accuracy of the cpu can't be fixed on superstar level....NHL 10 to me is a failure. great thing 2ki has taken out the high level boosts, I just don't understand why EA has to take this route. It totally ruins the integrity/realism of the sport....pretty ironic that EA hockey always uses the buzzword "AUTHENTIC"......still ways to go.

Eh I just don't see it then on the presentation front, though 2k's commentary is so grating on me thats prolly a big reason why. I think the cpu sliders should help to remedy the situation when it comes to pass accuracy, not to mention the player attributes slider should greatly affect guys with low passing ratings as well. Obviously we won't know for sure til retail.

[Tedward]

One of the best demos I've ever played. Great idea of changing the scores each time in game 7, that's a great plus. The Be a Pro mode was also perfect. I loved everything about this demo and I can't wait till the 15th. You guys at EA did an outstanding job on the game!

[Redshirt_EA]

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Wow. I guess giving the CPU team various advantages is the developers' way of making the CPU harder to play against on higher levels. Rather than making the CPU players smarter the developers insert boosts that they receive. This is also known as AI cheating. Any unfair advantage that is given to the AI is AI cheating. So your previous claims that there is no AI cheating are false. The AI can make perfect tic-tac-toe passes at rocket speed, skate twice as fast as the players on the human team, have perfect shooting accuracy, and have sticks that are incapable of being lifted. Are there any other AI advantages/cheats we should know about. This has to go for NHL 11. Sorry, I do not mean this to be an attack on the developers. I have no idea how hard you guys work to make the game we want.
Do you know what separates you guys from 2K though? Although each game is not perfect and does have its fair share of glitches/bugs, you guys listen to the community. Your competition does not. You guys care and actually do fix what is wrong. This will take you a long way. So, please eliminate AI boosts, since you do not want to call it AI cheating even though it is the same thing, in NHL 11.
The CPU does should not get advantages. It should get smarter instead. Better positioning. Smarter and tighter defense. Smarter passes. That kind of stuff. According to a 2K developer, all AI cheats and boosts are gone in NHL 2K10. No reason why NHL 10 should have them. AI cheating should now be a thing of the past since sports games are getting more authentic every year.

The AI boosts can be turned off. I've never made the claim that the CPU had no advantages on superstar (I have said that there is no cheating comeback logic, which is true).

Of course the AI ideally wouldn't need to cheat and the amount of cheating is getting smaller as we improve the AI. It isn't any easy problem to solve.

[dorismary]

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The AI boosts can be turned off. I've never made the claim that the CPU had no advantages on superstar (I have said that there is no cheating comeback logic, which is true).

Of course the AI ideally wouldn't need to cheat and the amount of cheating is getting smaller as we improve the AI. It isn't any easy problem to solve.

Hi Redshirt ,
Will these advantages also be in the new playoff modes ect ?
If so can and how are they turned off , oh probably all the new sliders options ? right
sorry I am waiting for Ps3 demo

[RealmK]

Re: NHL 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

Hi Redshirt ,
Will these advantages also be in the new playoff modes ect ?
If so can and how are they turned off , oh probably all the new sliders options ? right
sorry I am waiting for Ps3 demo

I'm 99.9% sure its slider based, sort of like presets for difficulty level that now since we have cpu sliders the game will be alot more tweakable.

[dorismary]

Re: NHL 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

I'm 99.9% sure its slider based, sort of like presets for difficulty level that now since we have cpu sliders the game will be alot more tweakable.

Thanks sounds good , are you still playing the demo alot :wink:
Also wings - pitt how long is the period ?

[RealmK]

Re: NHL 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

Thanks sounds good , are you still playing the demo alot :wink:
Also wings - pitt how long is the period ?

I can't stop playing it. I have no doubt that I'm absolutely going to love the game this year. Its a 5 min period, but should it be tied it goes on for as many 5 min overtime periods as it takes to get a game winner.

The game is so completely organic this year, I think thats whats keeping me playing it. Anything can happen, any bounce can turn into a scoring chance or a goal, when you add all the other tweaks and improvements, better neutral zone pressure, better teammate AI, being able to swipe at loose pucks, the new animations like guys batting pucks out of the zone or gloving a puck down. Stick lifts being harder to pull off and a big time penalty risk if you miss or abuse it, the awesome puck physics and the removal of pretty much all the suction, the great board play. I could prolly go on for another paragraph or two just how many subtle changes there are this year that makes the game not only much more realistic but an absolute blast to play.

[ComaFaction]

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The more I play, the more variety I am seeing to the game. I actually just played a bunch of games on Pro and was enjoying it a lot. The computer opens up in the neutral zone a little more, but they still press the blue line and break up passes / forecheck when trailing / etc.

I had a crazy goal with Detroit(cpu) scrambling down 3-2 in the final minute and Rafalski shoots one glove side on Fleury - the puck bounces off a defenseman in front of him, over Fleury and across the crease to Holmstrom (I believe). Fleury flops into the net to do anything he can to get a pad on it. Holmstrom finally stuffs it under his pad after a couple of whacks to send it to OT.

Never saw anything like it in probably 600+ games of '09

[MizzouRah]

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Anything can happen, any bounce can turn into a scoring chance or a goal, when you add all the other tweaks and improvements, better neutral zone pressure, better teammate AI, being able to swipe at loose pucks, the new animations like guys batting pucks out of the zone or gloving a puck down. Stick lifts being harder to pull off and a big time penalty risk if you miss or abuse it, the awesome puck physics and the removal of pretty much all the suction, the great board play. I could prolly go on for another paragraph or two just how many subtle changes there are this year that makes the game not only much more realistic but an absolute blast to play.

Agree.. they will probably focus on presentation next year because the game play is incredible. That's not to say presentation is horrible, because it's not. All I have to say is 2k better bring the fun game play back, without that, the presentation takes a back seat for me.

[RealmK]

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Agree.. they will probably focus on presentation next year because the game play is incredible. That's not to say presentation is horrible, because it's not. All I have to say is 2k better bring the fun game play back, without that, the presentation takes a back seat for me.

Agreed, 2k can have all the flashy intros and nice looking arenas they want, and don't get me wrong, both of those are awesome things, but if the game still feels and plays alot like 2k9 all the flashy presentation in the world isn't going to make it a good game. NHL10 absof'inlutely nails it in the gameplay department. If they blow out presentation next year (which I'm figuring they will considering its an aniversary year for the NHL series) We'll have the best of both worlds. And really I still think EA's commentary is leagues above, theres a ton of new lines in the demo while 2k10 still sounds like the same stale 5 plus year old badly delivered script, which to me really detracts from 2k's presentation in the first place.

[ocho cuatro]

Re: NHL 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

Agree.. they will probably focus on presentation next year because the game play is incredible. That's not to say presentation is horrible, because it's not. All I have to say is 2k better bring the fun game play back, without that, the presentation takes a back seat for me.

I was initially disappointed with the lack of improvements in the presentation dept. But the more that I play the demo, the less I notice - b/c the gameplay is SO freaking good. This title has achieved something remarkable - it accurately reflects the fast paced, chaotic nature of hocky. Every game feels totally unique and less "scripted" than any other sports game I've played.

However, I'd still like to see better crowds and post-goal celebrations, but those won't stop me from playing this game for a long, long time.

[Scottdau]

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Realm you are no different than Eddie in the 2k forum. All the things you blame him on doing you do the extact same things here. Oh well peace! I am done talking to you. Any way the demo is a blast to play and can't wait for the game to come out. The game plays is so much smoother than last year and the puck feels more alive.

[Qb]

Re: NHL 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

Realm you are no different than Eddie in the 2k forum. All the things you blame him on doing you do the extact same things here. Oh well peace! I am done talking to you. Any way the demo is a blast to play and can't wait for the game to come out. The game plays is so much smoother than last year and the puck feels more alive.

Hopefully this will help to cut down on the back & forth that finds its way into most threads. I advise all parties involved to take a similar approach if they find themselves in constant squabbles with other users...