No Demo for NHL 2K10

[RealmK]

Re: No Demo for NHL 2K10

No chip here.I think if anyone has the chip it would be you, but not for EA. Demos do matter, but they are usually default settings with no slider access, so really they do sports games little justice. Of course ideally a demo with slider access would be great, but the same could be said regarding NHL10. We take what we can get though and go with it. Whatever though, it's your thing. My is pre ordered as of tonight and yes NHL10 will follow shortly after release most likely, on blind faith even.

While there's no slider access in the 10 demo, you do still have options. I play both games, I'm a hockey fan, just because I don't get all excited from a few dev blogs and a meh video that doesn't do the game justice imo or give credit where it isn't due doesn't equate to a chip. The reason I'm big on EA's game currently should be pretty aparent and sensible. Info, lots of it. Actual fan feedback with results in the gameplay, (seperate hum/cpu sliders, board play etc) The dev team communicating on a timely and regular basis. The list goes on as to why I personally give EA the credit I think they deserve for their efforts.

2k on the other hand its been entirely the opposite. I've followed the games industry for quite a few years and while obviously with how the internet is these days with all the blogs, forums and youtubes and the like, people do maybe expect a bit much from developers who are just trying to put together a quality game and thats understandable. However in all those years I have never once seen a game, one especially in a storied gaming franchise like NHL2k is, marketed as poorly as the NHL2k series has the last two years. That anyone can even argue or defend that with a straight face seems pretty telling of that person.

[texbuk84]

i understand 2k. im still getting it though first day already have mine paid for in full

[dorismary]

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[quote=RealmK However in all those years I have never once seen a game, one especially in a storied gaming franchise like NHL2k is, marketed as poorly as the NHL2k series has the last two years. That anyone can even argue or defend that with a straight face seems pretty telling of that person.[/quote]

Same here Its very disappointing to see and it cant and shouldnt be defended in any ,way , shape or form .

[Keirik]

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What if the game, God forbid, happens to be great? Yes, they probably won't get sales right away but if word of mouth spreads we could be talking about...

....wait. Here I go with the "word of mouth" stuff again. Highly, highly unlikely. Groundbreaking titles like Portal, "cult games" like Psychonauts and older NHL games like Hitz Pro thrive and survive on word of mouth. So far, we haven't seen if 2K10 has the "it factor" the games I listed above have. Heck, we don't know what kind of "factor" it has going for it in the first place!

So, to make a long story short, who knows what's going to happen. I used this line in a post about 5-6 months to a year ago, but Jerry Cantrell of Alice In Chains opened the song "Grind" with the line, "don't plan my funeral 'til the body dies". I say we wait to conclude how good or bad 2K10 is. Yes, the marketing leaves a heck of a lot to be desired...but we don't know whether or not this game or series will fail until it does. I'm certain many people here are upset but are still willing to give the game a shot. If you don't want to, don't bother. But you can't say it sucks until...it sucks. God forbid the game actually surprises you! And no, that wasn't a "fanboy statement", it's an optimist's statement. I'm just that kind of person.

okay, im confused by your repsonse a little bit. Where did i even say one word about the game being good or bad? I'm assuming you either quoted me in error or are not understanding at all what im saying. I'm simply saying the naysayers have more to complain about, no demo does not help sales, the majorty if gamers dont rent games first before buying, and the majority fence sitters have nothing now to sway their word. People that sit on message boards and buy games via word of mouth are the minorty, not majority.

has nothing to do with fanboys, alice in chians, or anything else.

[Keirik]

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Give me a break. Hardly "blind faith" based on the Gameplay footage that's there and still coming. Seriously, a demo wouldn't have given any better idea of what the AI was capable of. In fact it would have most likely been worse, so I don't see this as blind faith. Now if you want to rent it first and play with sliders, fine, but personally I'm sold that this is going to be the best 2K Hockey game in many years.

bro, you just defined exactly what blind faith is. You barely have any info and "personally am sold that this is going to be the best 2k hockey game in many years"

really? from what, the few videos, spotty screenshots, and devs and people working with the game telling you so? Thats NOT blind faith?

[kai123]

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bro, you just defined exactly what blind faith is. You barely have any info and "personally am sold that this is going to be the best 2k hockey game in many years"

really? from what, the few videos, spotty screenshots, and devs and people working with the game telling you so? Thats NOT blind faith?

And what is so wrong about Blind faith(in video games) NBA Live Fans are doing it(dunno why though). Its ok to do it but no need to attack people. I mean I was doing it with Madden until I played it then, I immediately went back to 2k9/2k5.

If Savoie ends up hating the game, let him hate it, no need to attack him.

As for no demo, NOT bad but NOT good either.

Pros:
-Too many people judge on demos so no demo makes them judge on retail version with good sliders.
-Time was not taken away from original project
-Demos sometimes break games for people.
-Saves time and money plus NHL 10 demo waas horrible(desperate need of sliders)

Cons:
-People live for demos these days
-The people so called on the fence(dunno what that means) weren't gonna buy 2k's game unless it had BAP mode which it doesn't. So with no demo they finally came out with the truth, " wasn't gona buy in the first place.
-Marketing wasn't the greatest, now even more people rip on the marketing.
-People feel like 2k is ashamed to show there new game. We should not act on how we feel people.

So Savoie can think whatever he wants, its a free country, but you attacking him for Blind Faith, negro please.....

[Keirik]

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And what is so wrong about Blind faith(in video games) NBA Live Fans are doing it(dunno why though). Its ok to do it but no need to attack people. I mean I was doing it with Madden until I played it then, I immediately went back to 2k9/2k5.

If Savoie ends up hating the game, let him hate it, no need to attack him.

As for no demo, NOT bad but NOT good either.

Pros:
-Too many people judge on demos so no demo makes them judge on retail version with good sliders.
-Time was not taken away from original project
-Demos sometimes break games for people.
-Saves time and money plus NHL 10 demo waas horrible(desperate need of sliders)

Cons:
-People live for demos these days
-The people so called on the fence(dunno what that means) weren't gonna buy 2k's game unless it had BAP mode which it doesn't. So with no demo they finally came out with the truth, " wasn't gona buy in the first place.
-Marketing wasn't the greatest, now even more people rip on the marketing.
-People feel like 2k is ashamed to show there new game. We should not act on how we feel people.

So Savoie can think whatever he wants, its a free country, but you attacking him for Blind Faith, negro please.....

wtf, when did i attack him or even say he can't have blind faith? I was explaining to him that he honestly has blind faith based on how little we have and the aspects of this game 2k neglects in the first place like more vids, demo, info, etc. I do too. I already have the game paid in full.


What are you talking about? negro what? huh?

[RealmK]

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And what is so wrong about Blind faith(in video games) NBA Live Fans are doing it(dunno why though). Its ok to do it but no need to attack people. I mean I was doing it with Madden until I played it then, I immediately went back to 2k9/2k5.

If Savoie ends up hating the game, let him hate it, no need to attack him.

As for no demo, NOT bad but NOT good either.

Pros:
-Too many people judge on demos so no demo makes them judge on retail version with good sliders.
-Time was not taken away from original project
-Demos sometimes break games for people.
-Saves time and money plus NHL 10 demo waas horrible(desperate need of sliders)

Cons:
-People live for demos these days
-The people so called on the fence(dunno what that means) weren't gonna buy 2k's game unless it had BAP mode which it doesn't. So with no demo they finally came out with the truth, " wasn't gona buy in the first place.
-Marketing wasn't the greatest, now even more people rip on the marketing.
-People feel like 2k is ashamed to show there new game. We should not act on how we feel people.

So Savoie can think whatever he wants, its a free country, but you attacking him for Blind Faith, negro please.....

Noone is attacking him at all Kai, more so calling him on getting on people for having legitimate gripes about the lack of marketing and a demo or how theres alot of aspects of this "sim" video that don't look all that sim.

He's entitled just as anyone else is to his opinion but like Keirik mentioned claiming this is going to be the best 2k hockey eva11!! With so little info and shady trailers IS the perfect example of blind faith.

[wheels2121]

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The thing is, regardless of how good the game actually is, the lack of marketing is going to hurt sales, it just is. EA could put out a black and white game that skips every 5 minutes and people will buy it in droves because they promote it brilliantly.
And not producing a demo, rightly or wrongly, is going to make people think they don't want to show the game off. Like they're hiding something. Again, not saying that's 2k's reason, but that's what it will seem like to the average fan.

[kai123]

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Noone is attacking him at all Kai, more so calling him on getting on people for having legitimate gripes about the lack of marketing and a demo or how theres alot of aspects of this "sim" video that don't look all that sim.

He's entitled just as anyone else is to his opinion but like Keirik mentioned claiming this is going to be the best 2k hockey eva11!! With so little info and shady trailers IS the perfect example of blind faith.

Well, ok, Blind Faith isn't abad thing though. He can be excited all he wants but if the game is horrible, he can only blame himself.

wtf, when did i attack him or even say he can't have blind faith? I was explaining to him that he honestly has blind faith based on how little we have and the aspects of this game 2k neglects in the first place like more vids, demo, info, etc. I do too. I already have the game paid in full.


What are you talking about? negro what? huh?

Ok, sorry for going out of context with the "negro" stuff hope you can forgive me on that one. But yeah, Blind Faith ain't bad and again, he can only blame himself if the game sucks for having so much "faith".

I can't believe anybody has pre-ordered this. Your brave. I can't play Hockey games anymore because We want simulation but they give us NHL 94 witrh better graphics and hockeysticks mapped to the right analog stick.

I'm sorry Keirik/Realm, I'm just fed up with Hockey gaming, hopefully NHL 10 or 2k10 can change my mind....

[baa7]

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And not producing a demo, rightly or wrongly, is going to make people think they don't want to show the game off. Like they're hiding something. Again, not saying that's 2k's reason, but that's what it will seem like to the average fan.

I don't know about that. I would bet the vast majority of video games sold don't ever have a demo released. And I've never downloaded a demo. I simply rent before buying. Nevertheless it's an odd decision for sure, given the EA hype machine is in full gear this year. And the excuse 2K gave -- that it's a strategy decision -- is very lame and plain silly. Why go to all the trouble of inventing reasons, just tell it like it is -- they ran out of time and/or don't have the resouces.

People here seem to have lost perspective and are over-reacting IMO. A few dozen gamers on OS and their opionions wll never make or break 2K. 90% of their sales will be to kids whose parents will get them the game regardless of what 2K does to market it.

[CarryTheWeight]

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People here seem to have lost perspective and are over-reacting IMO. A few dozen gamers on OS and their opionions wll never make or break 2K. 90% of their sales will be to kids whose parents will get them the game regardless of what 2K does to market it.

Great post baa. At the end of the day, we're only a niche market compared to the majority. It's easy to get worried about sales and such, but like I said before, I don't think it's our business to worry about it until it happens. Gamers aren't usually as informed or as research-savvy as OS'ers are.

[wheels2121]

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It's not even whether you play the demo, it's that people know that most sports games have one and this one didn't. That is something that will spread by word of mouth.
and you're right about the parents getting games for kids, which is why EA will dominate. At least put enough info out online where kids can tell mom they want that game.

[baa7]

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At the end of the day, we're only a niche market compared to the majority. Gamers aren't usually as informed or as research-savvy as OS'ers are.

LOL, at the end of the day we're an like a family of kids arguing over who gets the last bowl of Sugar Pops. There will be lots of hockey goodness for everyone this year; nobody has to worry and/or get so worked up over this stuff. Rent 2K10 if you're at all interested; if not, then I guess you'll be playing EA's game this year. Whatever.

Your second sentence above is what I was talking about, absolutely. I'm guessing 2K is focusing a lot of their energy on the Wii because they've identified who their main target audience is, and we're definitely not it. At the same time it's nice to see they're putting substantial effort into producing a sim game -- that video posted yesterday looks terrific.

[adayinthelife]

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LOL, at the end of the day we're an like a family of kids arguing over who gets the last bowl of Sugar Pops. There will be lots of hockey goodness for everyone this year; nobody has to worry and/or get so worked up over this stuff. Rent 2K10 if you're at all interested; if not, then I guess you'll be playing EA's game this year. Whatever.

Your second sentence above is what I was talking about, absolutely. I'm guessing 2K is focusing a lot of their energy on the Wii because they've identified who their main target audience is, and we're definitely not it. At the same time it's nice to see they're putting substantial effort into producing a sim game -- that video posted yesterday looks terrific.

That's a great point and probably why most people around here feel a little burned. The 2k series used to be the place to go for more sim type gameplay while EA was more just for fun. On this generation of consoles they seem to have flipped sides which doesn't sit very well with some people who have some strong feelings when it comes to brand allegiance.